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February 03, 2006
TURKEY UNVEILS GARY BUSEY/BILLY ZANE PICTURE
VALLEY OF THE WOLVES: IRAQ is Turkey's big budget action film that's set to open February 9 in Turkey and 120 European cities. Billy Zane and Gary Buesy joined the cast to make a movie that sports a mega-budget and takes place in Iraq. The saner synopsis I've read comes from the movie's distributor and it talks about US forces turning against their Turkish allies, and sending them off to prison with hoods over their heads, and the Turkish forces then leading a resistance against the US. Apparently this is based on a popular TV show in Turkey with the same name about a cop infiltrating the mob, but the movie keeps the title, dumps the plot and takes the action to Northern Iraq.
US soldiers arrest Turkish troops, pump an entire wedding full of hot lead, deport folks to Abu Ghraib and - from what I've been told - sets a Jewish vivisectionist to work on extracting their organs for the black market. Could it get any more scandalicious?
Is it wrong of me to want to see this movie so badly? Film is a medium that lends itself to propaganda very easily and I'm enamored of propaganda movies, despite the nefarious purposes to which they're put. There's something about the hysteria and the straight-faced way directors of propaganda put forward patently ridiculous images (Jews stealing internal organs?) as if their seriousness is enough for them to be taken seriously.
Update 2/8: We have a review of the film.
February 3, 2006 at 09:59 AM in News | Permalink
Comments
Grady, if this appeals to you, I hope you've had a chance to see International Gorillay, the Pakistani film where a gang of relgious warriors occasionally dressed like Batman fight the evil Salman Rushdie and his Israeli henchmen with a flying, laster-blasting Koran. Lots of fun, and way to stupid to be offensive.
Seriously though, if Gary Busey is taking part in anti-semitic propaganda now, he really needs to lay off the drugs. That's almost as low as having a crappy reality show about yourself.
Posted by: David Austin | Feb 3, 2006 11:20:59 AM
None of the positive user remarks at the IMDB mention Jews or anti-Semitism - the only one which does comes from someone who hasn't seen the film. I'm actually pretty intrigued by another country making a film about the Iraqi occupation, especially from a perspective critical of it, but I draw the line at Jewish doctors harvesting organs, especially if the film is slick enough (as some of the IMDB reviews suggest) that people might take it seriously.
Posted by: Steve | Feb 3, 2006 12:11:46 PM
The Jewish vivisectionists is the one thing I have on rumor, not on authority, so it could be a bunch of BS. But it was way too nuts not to include.
Posted by: Grady Hendrix | Feb 3, 2006 2:48:09 PM
Here's a description of Gary Busey's character in VALLEY OF THE WOLVES: IRAQ from the official website for the movie (see http://www.valleyofthewolvesiraq.com/high/garybusey.swf ): "Doctor: He is fifty or fifty five years old. He is naïve, well-dressed and has a polite look. He is a citizen of the USA and a Jew who has worked in the clinics of the region for years. He is an expert in his branch. Especially, he has worked in transplantation for the last few years. He has been sending the tissues such as kidneys and eye corneas which he takes from the dying prisoners to the west."
Posted by: The Gomorrahizer | Feb 3, 2006 11:54:08 PM
Jeeesus Christ. So to speak. One wonders if Busey and Zane really knew what they were involved with. I assume they don't speak the language that most of the rest of the actors are speaking (hmm, there are a lot of possibly incorrect assumptions in that sentence). Even antisemitism aside, this sounds pretty rank. U.S. troops wantonly blowing away a whole wedding, including children? You don't have to be a fan of Dubya's little Iraq adventure to... well, you get my drift.
I first read about this yesterday at the looney right-wing news blog/discussion forum FreeRepublic.com. You can imagine the field day they're having with this. It plays into every paranoid fantasy they have about the complicity of liberal "Hollyweird" with America-hating foreigners.
On the subject of INTERNATIONAL GORILLAY, couldn't the portrayal of a flying, laser-blasting Koran be considered, I don't know, blasphemous? I don't understand these things. How easy is that to find on subbed bootleg, anyway? Seems like quite a lot of underground, tape-trading types have seen it.
Posted by: Michael Wells | Feb 4, 2006 8:58:21 AM
I am very intrigued about a foreign film revolving around the Iraqi situation. Really, I disagree with people taking offense. I mean, look at our films. Calling Somalians "sticks" in Black Hawk Down? Numerous Chuck Norris Vietnam flicks, Rambo etc. Lighten up dude. It's just a movie. If Billy Zane and Gary saw no fault in acting in it. All I know is, I gotta see the movie for myself. And lets face it, it's gotta be better than that b-grade slosh "American Soldiers", straight to DVD material, trying to cash-in on the Iraqi conflict. Now that was bad!
Posted by: Abby | Feb 6, 2006 7:43:42 PM
>>>>>U.S. troops wantonly blowing away a whole wedding, including children? <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Hmmm, you do know that this really happened right?
Posted by: eliza bennet | Feb 8, 2006 1:57:07 AM
this movie has been made by turkish facists. They first should look at thereselfs and their ideas about christians and jews. Do they think that they are saints? I don't like those guys (I am Turkish). It's amazing how stupid some people can be. When in the show one of the main characters died some stupid people, organised a funeral, placed adds in the papers and cried and mourned (the guy was maffia, he was as bad as the devil and it was a character!). The guy playing the character (Oktay Kaynarca) said he received calls from people who were giving him their condoleance. The writters are facists who dislike the American and the Jews, I suppose that they want to be controversial troughout the world, so people get curious and watch it and maybe hate the americans more.....This movies, as well as the persons who made it can go to hell.
Posted by: okan | Feb 9, 2006 12:08:00 AM
real film.Valley of the wolves Iraq.superrrrr ++++++++
Posted by: Polat Alemdar | Feb 9, 2006 5:16:19 PM
OKAN SENIN SÜLALENI fasistler siksin!!!
Posted by: Polat Alemdar | Feb 9, 2006 5:20:39 PM
I saw Grady Hendrix on Scarboro Country (FOX TV) and that guy is so gay. He appeared to be very reactionary. He went against a crazy catholic guy and he still was the one who looked stupid. I mean, his response to "Are you anti-semitic?" was "You are like a 14 year old girl." He must be a schizo.
What to fuck is an Asian movie blog anyways? Who to hell cares about Asian movies, especially a gay white guy?
Anyways, we need to distinquish between criticism of American actions in Iraq, no matter how crude, and spreading blood libels to bunch of people who hate jews already. An average Muslim brain is not advanced enough to understand that not everything shown on TV is true. Millions of Jews throughout centuries have been slaughtered because of these blood libels from England to Russia and Islamafacists are trying to use them again to cause more slaughters. However, since no Jews actually live there, they will just burn Israeli flags and maybe beat up some other minorities, like Christians.
Anybody who watches this movie and pays for it, supports terrorism and contributes to deaths of our soldiers in Iraq. Curiosity is not an excuse, just steal it.
Posted by: jihad | Feb 10, 2006 12:01:16 AM
Fist, this film is financed by Islam radicals not Turkish facists. Okan you got your info wrong on that one.
Next, creative team of the film only truly cared about making some money. They are not really ideology concious or anything like that, they wanted to ride on the coattails of the popularity of the drama (this happened a couple of years ago with another drama) and used real life events and also did some propaganda for the people who financed them.
The target viewer for this film is males of 30-45 age group with average income and most probably only high school education. They listen to news, buy newspapers but never read books. So they want to see Turkish men kick some ass. Whose ass does not really matter (TV show had great ratings and didn't cast any U.S soldiers, although in the last episodes Andy Garcia and Sharon Stone starred as a mafia couple)
As for the US hate, please keep in mind that I have not seen the film yet, I truly didn't want to help financing Islam radicals (I'm a Turk and I'm Muslim btw)- I don't know how they are depicted in the film but the "bag" incident really happened and more importantly US Army really bombed a wedding, killing 50 civilians (children included).
Americans shouldn't really worked up about this film since it is no different than Rambo sequels.
Posted by: eliza bennet | Feb 10, 2006 1:29:04 AM
Poorly done interview on MSNBC, Mr. Hendrix.
Posted by: derek | Feb 10, 2006 4:07:01 AM
see this:
http://www.worldpressphoto.nl/index.php?option=com_photogallery&task;=view&id;=628&Itemid;=137&bandwidth;=high
Posted by: Slahadin | Feb 10, 2006 4:59:43 AM
Eliza - To clarify: I am, to my chagrin, well aware of the wedding bombing incident (and numerous other horrific ones in a similar vein) but from a detailed description of the movie scene in question that I've read, it portrays the American soldiers as slaughtering the wedding party out of deliberate and premeditated malice (and with a grin, as I recall).
However, as others have said, I'm less bothered by the standard action movie villain template being applied, however unfairly, to American troops, than I am by the allegations of antisemitic blood libel propaganda around Busey's character. Then again, I don't know how strongly this is in the film, having heard only (sometimes contradictory) bits and pieces. It's good to stop and remind ourselves often that most of us commenting here haven't seen the movie in question.
Posted by: Michael Wells | Feb 10, 2006 6:40:30 AM
I saw Grady on the tube last night and I thought he did a shit job. He gave the host exactly what he wanted: a goofball liberal so outrageous that his own wild persecution fantasy and that of his other guest, Wilford Brimly the Catholic, seemed utterly reasonable by comparison. Grady went for laughs. Nobody watching that show was laughing. And any of us hoping the host would be forced to concede even an inch to reason were left feeling stupid.
Posted by: Anonymous Coward | Feb 10, 2006 2:01:07 PM
I am proud to be Turkish and Muslim. I do not think people hate Americans. They only do not like the president, Americans elected and his stupid moves around the world. Occupying a country first with WMD (there was no WMD), then freedom of Iraqis ( he does not ever never cared) excuses which were not the real reasons. The main reason is the oil and Saddam’s decision about selling oil not using dollar but euro currency. That would make United States economy up side down. And now for the same reason Iran’s president wants to do the same thing, selling the oil using euros. Now he wants to invade Iran. But I don’t think United States has the power of occupying Iran because Iran is not like Iraq. Two different countries and powers. Iranians are behind their president and they will fight back with their life. Since US military is so thin because of Iraq, US is trying to get EU on their side. US can not control the world much longer. Chaves, Putin and China are coming. I do not defend them but Bush is focusing on wrong policies. Wrong decisions. Americans deserve better president that will bring peace to the world, not blood.
Being the biggest power in the world, which I think it will change soon if United States governments policy continues like this, requires a lot of responsibility. Being fair to countries. Nothing is happening to North Korea, they even have tons of nuclear weapons. Why not? Because there is no oil in that country? Israel has nuclear weapons but none of the countries objected that because they are Jews. Not fair.
All the empires ended when the time came. Roman, Ottoman empires, etc. United States is the biggest power right now but China or Russia are following every single moves of Bush administration. Bush is the real problem here. His dad was a troublemaker as well. They both love wars. Invading other countries so that American people can drive huge SUV’s for less cost. Bush does not represent American people. Americans fear made Bush president second time. I remember one of the British newspapers front page. Whole front page was all black and with small white letters saying” Oh my God, 4 more years? “ He loves to scare American people for terrorist attacks to improve his decreasing ratings. 38% of American people do not approve the job he is doing.
People are dieing in Iraq, Afghanistan because of this Bush administration. American soldier is human as much as innocent Iraqis and Afghanis. If there is 2000 American lives lost, there is almost 70000 civilian dead.
Saddam and Iraq was a cancer in a human body. If you leave it alone, it will kill himself sooner or later. But if you dig it and mess with it, you will spill the cancer to all over your body. This is exactly what Bush did. Now Iraq is a nest for insurgents, terrorists that kill even innocent people. I would like to mention that I said terrorists, not Islamic terrorists. That is a very important point. Terror does not have religion. They do not represent Islam. But West and United States do not get it. The more you use Islam in terror the more you make Muslims offended and against you. Oklahoma bombings, the terrorist that killed a lot of civilians was not Muslim. He was Christian; did you call him Christian terrorist? No. nobody did.
As far as the “VALLEY OF THE WOLVES: IRAQ” movie, this is a Iraq version of Turkish weekly movie series. I have not seen the movie but I watched the clips. They are reality that American public do not want to see because of their patriotism. Last 2 decades Hollywood used all middle eastern people as terrorists, West and Europe enjoyed themselves but when a Turkish movie tells the truth which everybody knows, Americans are getting offensive. Truth is always on news and newspapers. Lots of people are losing their lives for one person’s wrong decision. Bush…
Now Bush is asking Turkish government to back him up against Iran, which we have very good relationship with Iran more than United States history. It will not happen because anytime, Bush wants blood we have border with them. Iraq, Syria and Iran. Guess who is getting more effected from Bush’s mess? Turkish peoples economy and we do not want unstable country neighboring us. And guess who has to clean the mess after Bush puts his head between his legs and leaves Iraq? Turkish government. We want a united Iraq for our own good. Everybody was doing ok till Bush and his dad mess up the middle east.
As long as West and United States continue to try impose their crazy and stupid ideas to East and ignore the values of their beliefs, there will always be terrorism.
God help the world peace and humanity under the power of Bush and his crazy policy.
(These are only my opinions)
Posted by: Kemal | Feb 10, 2006 8:52:22 PM
Correction: 38% of American people approve the job Bush is doing.
Kemal
Posted by: Kemal | Feb 10, 2006 8:58:17 PM
This movie's screen play is completely real. You know we see on the news what american or english soldiers do to iraqi people. And this movie shows us suffering of iraqi people.
And as a neighbor and as a human being we are very sorry for them. You must see the truths or you do what you want ... But our hearts will always be with innocent. And i want americans to select a rational president , not for being charismatic.
Posted by: hulya | Feb 12, 2006 4:26:40 AM
The incident of the American putting a hood over the heads of the TUrks is true. But do you all know why. These Turkish special forces were there to assasinate Kurdish leaders and create provocations to destablize the situation. The US warned Turkey about sending murder teams to create instability in Iraq. The Turks got off too easy in this situation. Turkish military wanted to create conditions for instability so that they could move more troops into Kurdistan to take over the oil fields.
Turkey is a very dangerous and instigative country.
Posted by: An American | Feb 12, 2006 9:25:10 PM
Trully, I must agree with the statement that bush has made many mistakes - the US has more important things to do than mess with a country like Iraq.
It is also true that Hollywood (a more morally bankrupt group of people has never been) has used sterotypes to insult people from the middle east, just as they have insulted many groups of people. That being said however, I find it just as inflamatory and wrong to portray US soldiers as sadistic blood-hungry murderers. It is true that we have unfortunately killed inocents in this war, and that is inexcusable; but accidents like that happen in every war, in every conflict. It's not very difficult to hit someone you didn't intend to, when bullets can go through numerous walls. And, once again, bombs were directed to places where they did not belong, and that is a very sad thing. That being said however, US soldiers (and citizens as well) do not take pleasure in the deaths of these innocent people. And these actor's willing participation in an enterprise which seeks to portray such terrible sterotypes, both of the soldiers and the jewish doctor, does not do any good. Gripe. Sorry, just needed to vent. I loath those two actors now, very much. Doesn't anyone have any standards which they live by anymore?
Posted by: bjorn | Feb 13, 2006 9:22:30 PM
i have seen this movie. it shows the life conditions in Iraq. how a war destroys lifes, communities and the pride of the hole ir. people.
there are some elements, that happened truely, like the shameful "hood event" by US soldiers on our allies, the turks, like the "wedding crushing" or the "abu ghraib "prison.
reality is sometimes hard, like vietnam!? isn´t it!
but we Americans should not deny...
and there is no peace without justice.
this movie is not so antiamerican as u think!
there is a scene, there an US soldier wants to stop an other US soldier by executing civilians...
by the way the movie condemns Suicide bombings and religious rage.
but don´t forget this,
its a movie, its a movie , its a movie!
Posted by: Kevin | Feb 15, 2006 5:05:42 AM
It is NOT just a movie. This is "just a movie" like those drawings of Muhammad were "just cartoons". Just read above. Some of the other posters on this board (!) have already bit, hook, line & sinker.
Context counts. This movie was created with the knowledge that it would enflame public opinion in Turkey. Turkey is right next door to a nation, Iraq, that is currently bogged down in a ruthless war where innocent people are slaughtered every day. Its also worth noting that TURKEY IS NOT A FREE COUNTRY.
http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=20&year;=2005
The comparison to Rambo & Blackhawk Down make no sense. Rambo was produced a decade after Vietnam. Same goes for Blackhawk Down and Somalia. Again, context counts.
This movie does NOT condemn religious rage. It portrays Jews as Shylocks, stealing human flesh.
Fuck Gary Busey. Fuck Billy Zane.
Posted by: Steve-O'rama | Feb 15, 2006 2:09:28 PM
..who had written messages like >>'these are not true,there isnt any torture..''cant give an answer..and lies go on..nowadays world is shaking with the TORTURE AT ABU GHARİB PRİSON.WHAT A BİG BLACK SPOT ON HUMANİTY HİSTORY.WHERE ARE THE REFUSERS?we cant expect those refusers to be honest cause they cant..also, they cant ashame what they had done..
God is the only who has the power.we believe and still pray for the peace..
Posted by: serra | Feb 16, 2006 7:08:08 AM
Okan sana bu topraklar nasib olmasın.
Posted by: Bora | Feb 16, 2006 12:27:39 PM
Yo guyz you know what...
Every freakin' body knows what the soldiers do and everybody has fear to say something against jews. I'm not a racist, but why in the hell I have to be afraid to say that jews did this or that? There's some kind of invisible shield around 'em. Why da hell nobody is bothered by Israel's nukes knowing that they do the killing all the time but not Iran. I have nothing against muslims but what they do wrong is they let others use them because they are too sensitive...
I watched the movie in Germany and I really liked it and you see the irony? Long time ago USSR was the bad guy and when Rambo kicked their ass almost all the world was crazy about it. Now times change every single non-american and most of non-jews and jew-sempatizing honkeys(they know to leak the right ass cz jews control media and virtually everything in US) will like the movie
Posted by: Francoise | Feb 17, 2006 9:24:25 PM
the film is so good.Thanks Mr.ZANE..I will watch again soon..
Posted by: jim33 | Feb 18, 2006 10:15:08 AM
Okan denen züppe senin geçmişini sikerim ruhun duymaz.Ne demek lan.Sen Türk müsün ibne.Gidip yabancı sitelere adam gibi,gerçekleri filmde gösteren yapımcıları faşist,ırkçı olarak göstermek ne derece doğru şerefsiz!Bir de Türk'üm diye yazmışsın oraya.Siktirgit lan,terket yurdu.Faşistlerin arasında ne duruyorsun o zaman.Amına kodumun çocuğu.Bulacam seni ve sikecem ananı dur sen!!!
Posted by: Sedat P. | Feb 18, 2006 9:50:45 PM
Francoise
"Every freakin' body knows what the soldiers do and everybody has fear to say something against jews. I'm not a racist, but why in the hell I have to be afraid to say that jews did this or that?"
"they know to leak the right ass cz jews control media and virtually everything in US"
I love it when racists are totally clueless about what racists and bigots they are, it's funny and sad at the same time. you sound exactly like a neo-nazi (if you dont beilive me, check out their forums. They sound just like you). you should be ashamed of yourself. get you facts from a real source instead of extreme-right, extreme-left or islamo-fascist sources. by the way, it is called ass "licking", leaking is something else
all people who endorse this film are just making the divsion between Turkey and the rest of Europe greater. I have many turkish friends who are shocked and disgusted by the agenda of these filmmakers.
Posted by: jonathan | Feb 19, 2006 5:40:17 AM
okan sen komunist misin lan:? olum bak sen ne faşizmi bilion ne de komunizm i oku da öğren biraz amınagodumunun çocuğu. ben bi kemalist olarak kurtlar vadisi ırak filmini beğeniyle izledim. yapanlar faşist te olsa komunist te olsa helal olsun
Posted by: ahmet | Feb 19, 2006 6:53:24 AM
Sedat P. Ve Ahmet Helal Gencler :) Okan Gibi Ibnelerin Sonu Bok Cukuru Olacak Insallah :)
Posted by: Turk Evladi | Feb 19, 2006 8:09:05 AM
This is a revenge for Midnight Express.
Posted by: Tamer | Feb 20, 2006 2:55:51 AM
I have never watched the series with the same name. I don't really care about this type of movies. But after outcry of the US citizens. I think I will. :D I am very happy to see that you are crying after a movie critisized the murders of the US in IRAQ. May be the movies is rubish. but at least they have courage to show that th US are murdering innocents for oil. And also we haven't forgotten Hollywood movies about evil communists and terrorist Arabs. There should be more movies about the EVIL Israel and the terrorist US.
Posted by: Sedat | Feb 20, 2006 6:05:28 AM
this movie is probably far closer to the truth then any jingoistic movie made in the u.s
Posted by: Jack | Feb 20, 2006 10:32:22 AM
The Turks plan an even more monstrous attack against America. Coming soon: Satirical cartoons depicting Jesus Christ in spandex...oh the horror! Jesus was clearly a cotton briefs prophet. Fellow Christians, pick out your neighborhood mosque or local Islamic embassy and let the rioting commence. To War!!!
Posted by: MONGO | Feb 20, 2006 2:58:32 PM
This movie has the potential to divide us even more so than we already are. Nonetheless, American movies have been depicting other nationalities as villains for so long that our turn in the villain’s seat was sure to come. This issue is very complex and can hardly be told in a 90 minute or two hour movie. Take from it what you will and remember that it is still only the view of one person. You may relate to it and wish that it were true but that does not make it so. I can't say that what is depicted in the movie happened or it didn't. Neither can anyone else. I don't really think that's even the point. I hope this movie sparks some thought rather than hatred. We all have so much to learn about each other. It is a shame that distractions like this only tear us apart even more. With that said, I can't wait to see the movie. I may even get angry or be offended but I doubt I'll go down the block and burn the 7-11 down or kill someone for not believing what I believe. Enjoy it for what it is, ART!!
Posted by: Bubba | Feb 20, 2006 7:31:50 PM
It's amazing how americans are already reacting towards this film. The tables have turned, haven't they...All Americans who watch this movie will probably know how we feel when they make stereotypical movies of us (us being middle-easterns, muslims etc.)There should be more of these movies made, but only Turkey is cultural and rich enough to make one. All the other Muslim countries are either trying to save their own lives or count their oil money.
Posted by: aj | Feb 21, 2006 6:05:16 PM
this film is very good and the actor billy zane is very good!!!!!!
My Hoolywood Star
BILLY ZANE
(I LOVE YOU)
Posted by: g?kan | Feb 23, 2006 12:53:33 AM
It is interesting to see some comments from Americans , I just would like to appreciate whoever involved in making this picture by using all Hollywood mentality...But this time Rambo is not American...and America is not the savior of the world but the oppressor ....
Posted by: Hakan | Feb 24, 2006 4:30:22 AM
I think valley of the wolves is not the real problem.England,France and Italy came gallipoli in 1915.They fucked and sent back by TURKS to their holes with 250.000 dead.Then they realized that Turks cant beat in their lands.YOU usa,if u were so powerful,u could be able to manage your cold war terrorist who u paid against soviets.They fucked ur ass in wtc.If usa were so powerful,they invaded Turkey first.They know they cant success.so they decided to be ally.Turkey dont need friends.If u come middle east,u should behave good to Turkey.Becaz most of middle east under Turkish control informally.
Syria need us for water.Israel for food.And we re in north Iraq for hundreds years.U tried once in 1915 west.Try again if u think u can do against the 6th greatest soldier force all over the world!I dont believe just a film drove u crazy.
Posted by: fuzzy | Feb 26, 2006 4:09:43 AM
Just go and see the movie. its not more or less than rambo. only with some true things. ask the question: why isnt it wrong to show a scene about the abu graib prison. why is it wrong to see that there are flesh (money) hunters. why is it wrong to make a film about the situation in irak between the turks-kurdish-arab-turkmen people? why can the world make films about vietnam, irak, nazi germans, somali, african, japan, iran,ect ect. why cant someone make a film about americans and jews. why can we make short movies like subbmission (a short movie that muslims dont like) everyting is possible, but a movie about americans. STOP a big misstake? you know what i say than!!!!!!????
GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU ARE NOT REALLISTIC
Posted by: dutchboy | Feb 26, 2006 4:14:55 AM
Let's make a movie about nuking Mecca. Then the Jewish doctors can harvest my c*ck and attach it to your collective lips. But it will be a Rambo movie, so it's ok...Just like you all said!
Posted by: NukeIt | Feb 26, 2006 10:32:34 AM
The important thing here to remember is.......No Turkish embassies will be burned. No Turks will have their lives threatened over it. America is not going to boycott gyros. Turkey is not getting kicked out of NATO. Huka bars will not lose any business. I will not lose any sleep. Most Americans will not really care.
This is no more dumb than some of the Korean movies, that showed things I considered to be anti-us forces, and I watched those movies with Korean soldiers, while I was stationed in Korea....
Except for the usual ignorant bunch,who believe everything that fits their world view, we all know that "apocalypse now" or "casualties of war" are just dumb movies.
Americans make more anti-american movies than anyone else anyway.
Posted by: james | Mar 5, 2006 2:08:24 PM
So I'm not sure I get this...what ever happened to freedom of speech? Wasn't there a thing on CNN about soliders flushing Qurans down toilets,wasn't there something about torture? But we didn't freak out about that, did we? NO, we're much more upset about a movie that was from a different point of view. OH those bad bad people! How dare they make such a movie!
And aren't Arabs and muslims (even before 9/11 things and 'muslims are all terrorists' thing started) American Cinema has always protrayed Arabs and Muslims as the 'bad guys'.
So if Turkey wants to make a movie that show's their point of view, or their 'movie idea', it's all of a sudden a bad thing, and must be boycotted right away! What ever happened to freedom of speech? Oh yeh, that only applies to when 'you' want it to. So it's safe for me to say, democracy isn't really democracy, and freedom of speech is yet another American fairy tale.
Muslims freaking out over a cartoon- bad
American and practising Jews freaking out over a movie-not bad. Did I get that right?
And who says that Turkish Embassies (etc) won't be blown up, just because you don't see it in main stream media or the Newspaper, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. There are so many things you don't see. You can only see if you can watch other telecasts in different languages, such as GEO tv, and CNN Dubai- which will tell you the same story with actual evidence not just 'tales'.
There's a lot of things that are happening in the Muslim world that 'outside' forces are directly responsible for.
And it's a freaking movie! Isn't that what you said when the Danish cartoon was released- it's a cartoon!
So get over it!
Posted by: Aliyah | Mar 7, 2006 12:52:55 AM
This reminds me of that Mel Gibson Jesus movie, "The Passion" and all it's hoopla. If no one complained about that movie then it would never have become the success that it did. The only reason that I went to see it was because of all the complaining and it wasn't even that good.
Now the Jews are complaining about this movie and if they keep it up, they're going to turn it into a box office smash! Don't they get it? Most people don't care about this stuff but if somebody is in their face complaining, then they will rush out to see it. It's just like telling a little kid "don't look in there". You know what happens next.
Posted by: Donkwoon | Mar 9, 2006 9:32:58 AM
why do i hear all these complaints about Busey playing a jewish doctor? I see plenty of anti-Arab movies/news, but considering that the Jews control Hollywood, this is no surprise. Yes, you can check the facts. Hell, read the credits of any Hollywood movie.
The movie is based in fiction (organ theft) with a mix of truth (war in Iraq/middle east.) This is NO DIFFERENT than the drivel the Jews produce in Hollywood.
The Arabs don't hate us because of our culture per se. And Bush is not invading Iraq for oil (that kind of thinking is just stupid)
However, we do prop up a rogue regime (Israel) which has no legitmate right to be there. Arabs don't like Jews. But then again, Europeans built ghettoes for them when they lived in Europe. The Jews are not liked by much of mankind -- and it is not just because of "anti-semitism." President Bush supports Israel and provides weapons which in turn gets Arabs killed. Israel is the world's largest violator of human rights. Israel has WMD.
So is it any wonder that after seeing the Jews destroy your village, and kill your family, that you, with nothing to lose, strap on a bomb and go in public to make a "statement." Of course, unless you've lost everything, you cannot understand this. This is why the Arabs hate the U.S.... and the U.S. is in the Middle East for Israel's protect... not for OIL!
Posted by: Joe Sheks | Mar 27, 2006 11:41:14 PM
TWO FACED, DENIALIST, GENOCIDIST EUROPEAN & AMERICAN PPL MUST FACE OF THEIR OWN PAST CHRISTIAN CRIMES and GENOCIDES AGAINST HUMANITY.
A look at history, though, reveals that the "good guys" are nothing but a gang of thugs -- heads of former colonial and current imperialist powers responsible for most of history's genocides, ethnic cleansings, and pillages.
In the area encompassed by what is the United States today, between 1500 and 1900, the Native American population was decimated from about 12.5 million to less than 250,000. In the Americas and the Caribbean, about 100 million of the estimated 125 million Native Americans were systematically slaughtered following the arrival of Columbus.
This genocide continues to this day. According to historian Ward Churchill, "Between the 1880s and the 1980s, nearly half of all Native American children were coercively transferred from their own families, communities, and cultures to those of the conquering society." In 1975, the U.S. government admitted that it was conducting involuntary sterilizations that affected about 40 percent of Native American women in the United States.
This same colonial mentality was responsible for the deaths of an estimated 75 million African slaves en route to the Americas. Today, the descendants of slaves in the United States are being criminalized and incarcerated in record numbers, with one in three Black men between the ages of 15 to 29 either behind bars, on parole or awaiting trial.
Between 1880 and 1920, French colonialists wiped out two-thirds of population of what is today the Congo. In the 1880s, Belgian colonialists, under King Leopold II, were responsible for the genocide of 10 million people in the region that is today the Democratic Republic of Congo (formerly Zaire).
Between 1899 and 1902 U.S. forces, led by General Arthur MacArthur killed more than half a million Filipinos struggling for independence.
Soon after, another white icon, Winston Churchill, then Secretary of State at the British War Office, had this to say about the use of chemical weapons on Iraqis revolting against British rule: "I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using (it) against uncivilized tribes."
That is just the tip of the bloody iceberg, but for those who consider all this to be ancient history and irrelevant to current war against Yugoslavia; There are plenty of recent mass murders to go around.
In 1965 U.S.-backed General Suharto overthrew Sukarno in coup that killed about a million people. In the 1970s and '80s, the US -backed Guatemalan government killed more than 200,000, mainly indigenous, people. "Clinton went to Guatemala and apologized for this," says Sheridan Murphy, Executive Director of the Florida chapter of the American Indian Movement
. "So why doesn't NATO simply ask Milosevic to apologize for his ethnic cleansing?"
In Vietnam, the U.S. killed an estimated 1.5 million Vietnamese. The U.S. carpet bombing of Cambodia and Laos, between 1969 and 1975, killed an estimated 1 million civilians. Another 1 million or so died due to the subsequent starvation following the devastation to Cambodian agriculture.
As Edward Herman put it in a 1997 Z Magazine article:
"Henry Kissinger's role in the Cambodian genocide, Chile, and East Timor, makes him a first class war criminal, arguably at least in the class of Hitler's Foreign Minister Joachim Von Ribbentrop, hanged in 1946."
Instead, Kissinger received the Nobel Peace Prize in 1973 for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Vietnam.
Since World War II, the United States has bombed 25 different countries and invaded, toppled governments, or otherwise intervened 40 different times in other countries. The U.S. sells more weapons than any other country in the world. In short, it is the greatest purveyor of violence and death on earth.
Germany's genocide of more than six million Jews and Gypsies is of course, well known to us. It was in the wake of that ethnic cleansing that the Geneva Convention was passed by the UN General Assembly in 1948. Incredibly, the term genocide didn't exist before 1944. Only when whites targeted other Europeans for liquidation did the colonialists find it necessary to condemn a practice that had been the hallmark of European civilization for more than 450 years.
Not surprisingly, it took the United States 40 years to ratify the Geneva Convention
, albeit with the following self-serving caveat:
"Nothing in the Convention requires or authorizes legislation or other action by the United States of America prohibited by the Constitution of the United States as interpreted by the United States."
The list of genocides perpetrated by countries that lead NATO is endless, and there is no shortage of bloody dictators backed by the U.S. and European powers, but there is one ongoing genocide that must be mentioned.
It is the U.S.-forced "genocide by sanctions" of Iraqis. Since they were imposed in 1991, the sanctions have killed 1.5 million Iraqis -- about six percent of the population. More than half of those killed are children.
More than 250 Iraqis, mostly children under five, die each day because of starvation and disease induced by the sanctions. Iraq's once-stellar health care system, that guaranteed free medical care for all its citizens, is in shambles. Surgery is routinely conducted without anesthesia. The per capita GNP has dropped from $2,400 before the Gulf War to $247 this year. Of course, the sanctions are necessary, we are told, to get rid of Saddam Hussein, the Hitler of the Month before Milosevic took over.
The claim by U.S.-led NATO that it is bombing Yugoslavia to prevent ethnic cleansing by Milosevic should be met with incredulity. Instead what we hear is the self-righteous cheerleading from the mainstream U.S. media.
Yes, Milosevic and Saddam Hussein are despicable tyrants. But they are part of a long list of dictators and tyrants, most of whom are in power today precisely because of U.S. policies. Besides, if Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and war criminal for his political repression that has killed about 100,000 Iraqis, according to Amnesty International, in what criminal category does that place the likes of George Bush, Bill Clinton, and Tony Blair? While Hussein came to power in a coup, the latter three were "democratically" elected. But just because they were elected doesn't make them any less responsible for war crimes and crimes against humanity.
When the Americans decide to go after a particular dictator, one needs to look beyond the rhetoric of the official reasons.
According to NATO, in the year preceding the beginning of NATO attacks, 2,000 people died in the conflict in Kosovo. Two months of NATO bombing have already killed the same number of people. Before NATO began its attacks, the fighting in Kosovo had created about 300,000 refugees. (Incidentally, policies of the U.S.-backed and armed Colombian government have resulted in more deaths and a refugee population of more than 1.5 million, but you don't hear a peep out of Washington about that.) The NATO bombings and the predictable Serb reaction to it have propelled that figure to almost one million refugees.
The Rambouillet Accord
was worded in order to guarantee its rejection by the Milosevic government. The accord reads in part:
"NATO personnel shall enjoy, together with their vehicles, vessels, aircraft, and equipment, free and unrestricted passage and unimpeded access throughout the FRY (Federal Republic of Yugoslavia)."
"This passage sounds like a surrender treaty following a war that was lost .... The fact that Yugoslav President Milosevic did not want to sign such a paper is understandable," said Germany's Berliner Zeitung.
No sovereign nation would ever sign a treaty that voluntarily authorized an occupying force. According to an April 8 New York Times article, "just before the bombing, when [Yugoslavia] rejected NATO troops in Kosovo, it also supported the idea of a United Nations force to monitor a political settlement there."
When other NATO members suggested that a resolution be submitted to the UN Security Council authorizing the deployment of NATO forces, the U.S. rejected the proposal. The way Michael Parenti sees it,
"The dismemberment and mutilation of the Yugoslav federation is part of a concerted policy initiated by the United States and the other Western powers in 1989. Yugoslavia was the one country in Eastern Europe that would not voluntarily overthrow what remained of its socialist system and install a free-market economic order. The U.S. goal has been to transform Yugoslavia into a cluster of weak right-wing principalities ..."
The United States is now the sole superpower in the world. It does not tolerate dissent. The current assault on Yugoslavia is geared toward reasserting its domination of NATO, as well as the rest of world. Maverick regimes such as Yugoslavia and Iraq will not be tolerated. Even the UN Security Council, a highly undemocratic regimen, is no longer adequate. The United States, using NATO as a shield, can and will do anything it wants to, anywhere it pleases.
That was made clear at the 50th anniversary NATO summit in Washington in April. "We have reaffirmed our readiness ... to address regional and ethnic conflicts beyond the territory of NATO members," Clinton said at the summit.
In an op-ed, Siddharth Varadarajan, a Times of India editor, suggests that
"the principles on which its current aggression against Yugoslavia is based ... include: an expanded definition of what constitutes a threat to the security of the 'Euro-Atlantic area,' the subordination of European strategic interests to that of the US, and, above all, the same unilateralism which led NATO to attack a sovereign country in violation of international law."
Such an expanded vision of NATO violates international law as well as NATO's own charter.
As Walter J. Rockler, a Washington lawyer who was a prosecutor at the Nuremberg War Crimes Trial, pointed out recently in a Chicago Tribune op-ed, the attack on Yugoslavia not only violates the UN Charter, but the judgment of the International Court in Nuremberg Tribunal as well:
"To initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime, it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole."
"Shouting 'war criminal' only emphasizes that those who live in glass houses should be careful about throwing stones," Rockler adds.
If there is to be any justice in this world, the first step should be to forever ban the United States and its NATO factotums from intervening anywhere in the world. They have repeatedly shown their true colors. Asking the U.S. to fight ethnic cleansing is like asking a serial rapist to administer a rape crisis center.
As a political cartoon, in the Italian newspaper Liberazione, asked: "Why is it the Apache helicopter that the US deploys in the Balkans? Manifest destiny?"
Tuesday March 14, 2006 - 08:16pm (PST) Permanent Link | 3 Comments
Entry for March 14, 2006
The genocide against American Natives
The facts are that by 1891 the U.S. native population had been reduced to 2.5% of its original numbers and 97.5% of the aboriginal land base had been expropriated.
Extermination of all of the surviving natives was urged by the Governor of California officially in 1851. ''More than 100 million Natives fell under European rule and their extermination followed.''
As the Natives died, they were replaced by African slaves.
The genocide against American Natives was one of the most massive and longest lasting genocidal campaigns in human history. And it’s still taking place today.
helpful links for hatemonger americunts & euronazis;
http://www.iwchildren.org/genocide/shame1.htm
http://www.danielnpaul.com/HistoryItemsAndCommunityEvents.html
http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/genocides-forgotten.htm
Posted by: Hakan | Apr 10, 2006 9:21:51 AM
original face of american nation
Posted by: johan sebastian | Aug 3, 2006 12:10:40 PM
Fuck you all you antisemites. Israel is not, nor was it ever, a rogue nation. You people sound like infants, without a shred of knowledge of history. There never were a palestinian people, nor a palestinian nation. There never was a palestinian king, never a palestinian president. Palestine never was a nation, while Israel was a great and powerful nation. All you need to do is open your pathetic eyes and read history. The Jews have had a permanent residency in the land of Israel for over 3000 years. Many invaders including Greece, Rome, and Philistines have invaded the land of Israel over the 1000's of years. Israel IS THE LAND OF THE JEWS. The Arabs, muslims have 20 Islamic countries, yet Israel is the ONLY Jewish country in the holy land. Israel has every right to exist. The Arab countries on Israels borders evicted all the Jews when Israel became a state. Israel currently is occupied by Arabs because Israel is a democratic society and nobody was evicted. You liberals are suffering from severe mental delusions if you actually believe the trash you wrote here.
Terrorists kill innocent people in the name of religion. And you people sit on your asses and do nothing, taking the side of the murder and supporting their evil. You will suffer the same fate as the evil ones, for those who support evil are evil themselves.
Posted by: mumar | Nov 27, 2006 5:57:34 PM
BTW, Fuck Ward Churchill too, this man is a scarey dude. He lost his marbles somewhere along the way. Don't trust a single thing this anti-american subversive scumbag says.
Posted by: mumar | Nov 27, 2006 5:59:25 PM
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