February 08, 2006


Gary Busey and Billy Zane in an anti-American Turkish action movie about the War in Iraq? I always knew there was something wrong with that guy, ever since he snapped at Kate Winslet in TITANIC. This movie has kicked up a mini-dust storm on the dusty old blogosphere, and so now we cut through the hype with this review from Oge with full descriptions of the scenes most liable to cause offense. Oge originally posted this to a list serv and generously agreed to let us repost it here (profanity removed as per Variety rules):

I have to admit, this sh*t was pretty entertaining. I also have to say though that watching MUNICH (which came out recently here, coinciding with the Hamas rout) and this around the same time was definately bizarre, and not really because of any direct point involving Jewdom. Billy Zane takes his cue from those neo-Nazi guys in those B action movies, dressed in a safari hat and jacket with a thin purplish-blue scarf around his neck and all, provoking civil war while pretending to prevent it etc.

As far as the anti-Semitism, there's this hilarious scene where our hero is in a fancy smancy hotel for shady influential evil people in Northern Iraq and demands that the hotel be evacuated, and the camera catches an Orthodox Jew with locks, black robe and hat shuffling out the door. Besides that there's the "Tel Aviv" (Among New York and London) written on iced lunch boxes carrying the much talked about human organs that they're harvesting from unfortunate wedding goers. That Garey Busey (who is so right for this) is Jewish only comes up later and implicity when Billy Zane argues about how his people are more chosen than Busey's. All this might have something to do with the whole grudge story about Israel commandos training the Kurds in Iraq for an independent Kurdistan...last year a couple Turkish newspapers claimed that our foreign minister leaked their part of the story to Seymour Hersh because the government was pissed off that Israel was simply ignoring their concerns. But overall, the anti-Semitism in the movie is pretty much overshadowed by Crazy Motherf*cking Christian Guy. There's a long scene where the camera pans across Christ on a cross in front of which Billy Zane is praying and going on about how his blood will flow through Babylon or something.

Despite a couple of solidly campy scenes--like when they seemingly run out of American actors and
impersonate American soldiers with local talent, and when they show a woman with a broken Turkish-English accent ripping off the clothes off of an Iraqi and throwing him on a human pyramid, thumbs up, as the camera zooms out in order to capture the imitation of the infamous real-life photo, and like when Busey flips out at a guy for killing all the captives because he needs them alive for their organs, yelling, "They're not animals, they're human beings damn it!"--at the end of the day, it's really not a so-bad-its-good movie. It does in fact stay within some sort of logical boundaries in order to work as propaganda.

"They gave the mountains to the Kurds, the desert to the Arabs, and the oil to themselves" complains a Turkmen Iraqi. A group of soldiers wait outside of a wedding party and once the people start firing into the air, the commander smiles and says, "Now they're terrorists...let's go in." An American soldier is killed when he says he will report the guy who just mowed down a truck full of wedding guests, one of his last sentences being, "they may be terrorists, but they're people too damn it!" A lot of air time is given to a Sheikh who lectures a woman when she says she wants to be a suicide bomber and besides the whole Islam forbids it line, he wisely notes, "they may die, but others will die too, damn it." There's also a scene with Islamic terrorists videotaping the beheading procession of a  Western hostage where they're going on about cleansing Iraq from Americans and Jews and what have you when the same Sheikh comes in all what-the-f*ck-is-going-on-here like and verbally bitch slaps them into humiliation, releases the hostage, and gives the long samurai blade that was being pointed at the hostage's neck to the hostage and tells him to behead one of the terrorists. The journalist then drops the blade and weeps at the Sheikh's feet. They did manage to include an interesting action scene in which a gun battle ensues right at the epicenter of a suicide bombing. Although the bomber was a guy whose son was killed by an American soldier, the emphasis in the scene is on the blown up limbs and wriggling torsos of the bystanders amidst which a couple of rogue Turkish special ops people and American soldiers try to take each other out.

Of course, what is intentionally ironic about the movie is that for a film motivated by nationalism it has an awful lot of Kurdish dialogue. At one point, when two Turkish guys are under fire and ducking for cover, one of them yells, "goddamn Kurds" to which the other responds "dude, I'm a Kurd" to which the first guy says, "yeah, but you're different."

February 8, 2006 at 01:08 AM in Film Reviews | Permalink


Due to the popularity of the TV series, this film is making good box office.
I never thought of paying to watch it though since it is derived from a TV show with a script that could be the transcriptions of what is being spoken by average income males in cafés (Turkish people call these conversations "saving Turkish republic" - heh)

Anyway I'll probably catch this one in one of the Islam finance national TV channel some time. (Alcoholic drinks were not served in the opening night - which is very very unusual as far the Turkish habbits go)

Posted by: eliza bennet | Feb 8, 2006 1:49:22 AM

Great review.

Anybody who watches this movie and pays for it is a terrorist and wishes death upon American soldiers. Steal it just like Turk stole Kurdish land.

You want to fuck with the US, you dirty camel fuckers. Well, soon Kurdistan will be a reality and you will never get into the EU. Back to the middle ages for you, where you can hang out with your friends Egypt and Iran.

Posted by: Mike | Feb 10, 2006 12:12:35 AM

Mike, I think you need a reality check first and then brush up on your knowledge of history.

Posted by: eliza bennet | Feb 10, 2006 1:12:05 AM

Power brings arrogancy, if it is given to wrong characthers.When i read this comments i really, deeply felt angry and sorry. I took pity on commenters.(espacilly after the word camelfuckers..haha) called muslim. (what a piWhat's is funny is that in Turkey there are no deserts and no camels. (Maybe you should leran history and geography first)And Turkish have not stolen Kurdish land(there is no such kurdish land actually) and in Turkish independence (after world war 1) kurdish ottoman citizens fought with turkish, because Islam forbids racist thoughts and orders to unite in an identity -MUSLİM-(what a pitty we couldn't manage this) Anyway everybody knows the tortures in Abu Gharib. (or you american ignore) And you eliza bennet, you talk like a professor in International Relations or history, whatever. But you don't know anything. (or i should have said any sh.t like you) First, EU is started negotiatians with A MİDDLE AGED muslim Turkish country and that makes European countries Middle aged, too. So is The USA a modern country, only ? And, Yes everybody wishes to die American soldiers because of what? there is a Turkish proverb, Who fertilize violence will grow anger

Posted by: A Turkish | Feb 10, 2006 2:08:06 AM

A wrote Eliza Bennet but i am terribly sorry for that mistake I meant Mike.

ACcept my apologieses Eliza Bennet

Posted by: A turkish | Feb 10, 2006 2:10:07 AM

First of all,we(muslems)love Jesus,Moses,Mohamed and all other prophets.We accept that they are prophets.The point we disagree with christians is that Allah doesnt have children.Because Allah is tooo great to have children.Allah created Jesus without a father.Surely this is sooooo easY for Allah that creates everything.
Quran says that the bible is changed and people forgot Allah's orders.So Allah sent Mohamed.And Islam wont be changed up to doomsday.People here shouldnt say bad words to Islam before they read Quran and understand what Islam is.
You shouldnt think that the muslems who are doing bad works are obeying Allah's orders.Allah damns terrorists.So pls nobody swear at religions.
There can be bad terrorists believe in any religion.And some of the American soldiers can be cruel as Kurtlar Vadisi says.But this doesnt mean all Americans are cruel just as that nobody can say all muslems are cruel because of some bad muslims.

Posted by: Hamit | Feb 10, 2006 2:11:41 AM

Thanks, Hamit. Come on, these are movies: entertainment. It's fine to have strong opinions about them but name-calling just makes every look childish and if it goes on too much I'm going to have to call a nap time and take away juice for the day.

Besides, I think anyone who reads this blog knows that I'm the only person to ever have sustained an intimate sexual relationship with a camel. It was very difficult and took a lot more effort than it was worth and, ultimately, we broke up which was for the best. But while we were both young and things were passionate it was some of the best sex of my life. So out of sensitivity to my past love life and the bad memories it brings back, let's not talk about camels again.

Posted by: Grady Hendrix | Feb 10, 2006 6:26:09 AM

I dont agree with anybody here because all probhets and bless books are big lies. These are againist to science. There is only one real thing such as the superiority of strains and Turk is the most superior strain of all.As it is showed in the vallet of the wolves,it is only the side of iceberg which is seen. The uniqe real thing is in the blood of Turkish. One day, Turk will be lead of the world, as nostradamus said so americans must be afraid of Turks because we are Cengiz Han's, Fatih Sultan Mehmet's, Kanuni Sultan Süleyman's and Mustafa Kemal Atatürk's grandchilren.

Posted by: İstemi Yabgu | Feb 10, 2006 7:17:25 AM

I must say that I'm very angry to mike's comment.but I will be optimistic because he's very ignorant.Turkish people were living in this world since 3.century and now we are in 21.century but usa?you are working to create a history for you.But we have a glorious history.At the ATATÜRK time we accomplish protect our independence with our unity and country love not only soldiers and weapon.and this is difference between you and us!we have unity that nothing can demolish this especially you.(and this is what you want)like billy zane says in the film:'you can kill your people for peace(!!!!!)but we believe that to kill our people not bring peace and if it brings peace damn to this peace!this film tells the truth to believe or not to believe is your freedom.your aim was ıraq,afghanistan,iran...and turkey but you can not accomplish.howewer much you started to mingle our problems and you create us problems!and ı want to propose mike to talk respectful.ın turkey at school our teachers especially teach respect respect respect!ı dont know ın usa what you learn but ı can guess.we are not terrorists you are TERRORISTS!and you cant talk about our religion!!!some terrorists may be muslim but not forget that they are not turkish and turkish people hate them like you.and we are not want EU willingly you must not believe what you watch in your hot bed!everything not look like your pink world. your government is giving you pink world from stealing someone's pink world!!!do not forget this!!ı agree with istemi yabgu and ı congratulate for his comment.one thing important for us that big commander ATATÜRK says:"peace in country,peace in world.at the end ı'm sorry if ı have grammer mistakes but ı cant do more if ı can ı want to say more more things but...

Posted by: ataturk's inheritance | Feb 10, 2006 10:08:03 AM

Guys - look I think everyone believes that their country and their forefathers are "Super Cool Number One Country in the World" so it's pointless to debate whose country is better, and responding to these arguments just makes everyone look silly.

Let's all keep in mind that when you take a movie starring Gary Busey and Billy Zane this seriously then, well, then Gary Busey has won.

Posted by: Grady Hendrix | Feb 10, 2006 10:15:00 AM

This movie couldn't be any worse than Point Break. I'll watch it if I get a chance.

Posted by: mk | Feb 10, 2006 10:25:24 AM

of course for NOW to debate who is powerful is pointless grady hendrix but the question is:how did usa be powerful?and especially how does it continue to be more powerful?

Posted by: ataturk's inheritance | Feb 10, 2006 10:43:44 AM

This movie sounds fucking hilarious, I can't wait.

Posted by: anonymous | Feb 10, 2006 1:03:23 PM


Posted by: frizzled | Feb 10, 2006 1:07:28 PM

I only recently found out about this movie but I'm really interested in seeing it and I'm happy to payfor it, no bootlegging this one. It's nice to support the other side of the situation, we all know hollywood has such a huge bias and anything which doesn't support the JEWs is Anti-Semitism.

Posted by: Chris | Feb 10, 2006 1:19:05 PM

Why are the American screaming their indignation at this movie Have they forgotten how they applauded when Chuck Norris was blowing up Arabs in his Delta Force movies? The Americans are very sensitive when their warts are exposed.

Posted by: Henry | Feb 10, 2006 2:06:54 PM

I don't know why people don't want to see the truth.
This movie shows what is true or not? Some people didn't like or don't wanna watch. Don't watch then. I'm telling them; Did u ever put yourself to their life(Iraq people) or did u ever thought what if these things happened to you.

Posted by: Turk | Feb 10, 2006 3:32:45 PM

I don't want to be polite to the damned person Mike who is the solid form of ignorant, silly, racist, anti-turkish, dogmatic shit.
Mike And other Mikes. I know you will carry your anti-turkish ideas to the end of your lifes. We know you are there. Somewhere in the dark. We only hope stay there and don't show yourselves to vomit your middle age ideas. Yes, sad but true. You are faceless coward snipers and only write your dirty ideas here. What really you can do in the real world. We will be a part of EU if WE WANT. And try to forget your camel or cameltoe obseeions and try to find a girlfriend... or boyfriend... I can not exactly say. Why? Because I don't have any prejudices like you.
Kurdistan ha Mike? We'll see it. It is not easy like that... We are here and haven't died yet.

Posted by: Mike F*cker | Feb 10, 2006 4:01:25 PM

People like Mike are a sick breed of humanity whose lives are driven by their insane hatred of those who don't agree with them.

I am not a Turk, nor a Muslim; however, I am looking forward to seeing this movie. It's about time the rest of the world is expose to the intense hatred Bush has generated with his invasion of Iraq.

Posted by: Henry | Feb 10, 2006 6:21:46 PM

I am proud to be Turkish and Muslim. I do not think people hate Americans. They only do not like the president, Americans elected and his stupid moves around the world. Occupying a country first with WMD (there was no WMD), then freedom of Iraqis ( he does not ever never cared) excuses which were not the real reasons. The main reason is the oil and Saddam’s decision about selling oil not using dollar but euro currency. That would make United States economy up side down. And now for the same reason Iran’s president wants to do the same thing, selling the oil using euros. Now he wants to invade Iran. But I don’t think United States has the power of occupying Iran because Iran is not like Iraq. Two different countries and powers. Iranians are behind their president and they will fight back with their life. Since US military is so thin because of Iraq, US is trying to get EU on their side. US can not control the world much longer. Chaves, Putin and China are coming. I do not defend them but Bush is focusing on wrong policies. Wrong decisions. Americans deserve better president that will bring peace to the world, not blood.

Being the biggest power in the world, which I think it will change soon if United States governments policy continues like this, requires a lot of responsibility. Being fair to countries. Nothing is happening to North Korea, they even have tons of nuclear weapons. Why not? Because there is no oil in that country? Israel has nuclear weapons but none of the countries objected that because they are Jews. Not fair.

All the empires ended when the time came. Roman, Ottoman empires, etc. United States is the biggest power right now but China or Russia are following every single moves of Bush administration. Bush is the real problem here. His dad was a troublemaker as well. They both love wars. Invading other countries so that American people can drive huge SUV’s for less cost. Bush does not represent American people. Americans fear made Bush president second time. I remember one of the British newspapers front page. Whole front page was all black and with small white letters saying” Oh my God, 4 more years? “ He loves to scare American people for terrorist attacks to improve his decreasing ratings. 38% of American people do not approve the job he is doing.

People are dieing in Iraq, Afghanistan because of this Bush administration. American soldier is human as much as innocent Iraqis and Afghanis. If there is 2000 American lives lost, there is almost 70000 civilian dead.

Saddam and Iraq was a cancer in a human body. If you leave it alone, it will kill himself sooner or later. But if you dig it and mess with it, you will spill the cancer to all over your body. This is exactly what Bush did. Now Iraq is a nest for insurgents, terrorists that kill even innocent people. I would like to mention that I said terrorists, not Islamic terrorists. That is a very important point. Terror does not have religion. They do not represent Islam. But West and United States do not get it. The more you use Islam in terror the more you make Muslims offended and against you. Oklahoma bombings, the terrorist that killed a lot of civilians was not Muslim. He was Christian; did you call him Christian terrorist? No. nobody did.

As far as the “VALLEY OF THE WOLVES: IRAQ” movie, this is a Iraq version of Turkish weekly movie series. I have not seen the movie but I watched the clips. They are reality that American public do not want to see because of their patriotism. Last 2 decades Hollywood used all middle eastern people as terrorists, West and Europe enjoyed themselves but when a Turkish movie tells the truth which everybody knows, Americans are getting offensive. Truth is always on news and newspapers. Lots of people are losing their lives for one person’s wrong decision. Bush…
Now Bush is asking Turkish government to back him up against Iran, which we have very good relationship with Iran more than United States history. It will not happen because anytime, Bush wants blood we have border with them. Iraq, Syria and Iran. Guess who is getting more effected from Bush’s mess? Turkish peoples economy and we do not want unstable country neighboring us. And guess who has to clean the mess after Bush puts his head between his legs and leaves Iraq? Turkish government. We want a united Iraq for our own good. Everybody was doing ok till Bush and his dad mess up the middle east.

As long as West and United States continue to try impose their crazy and stupid ideas to East and ignore the values of their beliefs, there will always be terrorism.

God help the world peace and humanity under the power of Bush and his crazy policy.
(These are only my opinions)

Posted by: Kemal | Feb 10, 2006 9:27:27 PM

You are an absolute idiot...
You are the best example of redneck pigs who gives bad name to good American people..

I am an half Kurd and half Turk..I feel %100 Turkish as far as my heritage concern. I am also an American citzen..It is about time we balance the biased Hollywood movies with movies which has different perception...For years, we made movies in US showing any muslim as terrorist. Enough is enough. Have you watched Fahrenheit 911?...I bet you have not...They are realy pictures in that movie shows US soldiers brutality. Thats not to say all US soldiers are bad...I am sure many of them are good people. But, few bad apple created enough crap that, Iraqis no longer see American as liberators.
Maybe Turks are paying back for "Mignight Express" which was actually based on lies. At least there is some truth to "Valley of Wolves Iraq".
My advice to you, "if you can't stand the fucking heat, get out of the fucking kitchen"
By the way, proud to be an American and say what I want....You have any problem with that, ....you fucker..?

My apologies for the bad language...I couldn't resist the temptation...

Posted by: Orhan the Turk | Feb 10, 2006 10:52:48 PM

I believe that Bush and his supporters represent the evil that sometimes gets into the leadership of a nation. The only way for this evil to nurture and sustain itself is through lies and deceptions that are used to brainwash the public. The Bush administration first used the "Iraqi WMD" very cleverly to frighten the American people into supporting his invasion of Iraq. Then the Bush administration presented a series of lie about "democratization of Iraq", and now his administration is whiping up worldwide propaganda about his fictitious "war on terror".

Such evil can only exist as long as people believe their lies and deceptions. The Bush administration and their supporters (like Mike)absolutely abhore anyone who dares to expose the truth. Thus, you will see a near hysterical response from the supporters of this evil to the movie "Valley of Wolves - Iraq". They will do their best to suppress this movie, but they will not succeed.

I am looking forward to watching the movie.

Recently, the head of the Israeli Shin Bet stated that America will reqret their decision to remove Saddam because this has unleaseed chaos and instability in the whole region. His comments got very little attention in America.

I believe that Iran is the winner and America the loser from this whole Iraq fiasco perpetrated by Bush.

Posted by: Henry | Feb 11, 2006 1:58:03 AM

sanal alemde intikamımızı aldık gerçekte de alıcaz!!!

Posted by: 57Ali | Feb 11, 2006 5:27:30 AM

Savununlan amerikalılar Türkler geliyor

Posted by: Ali the TURK | Feb 11, 2006 6:12:32 AM

While we're bashing Mike the Pinhead, anyone else want to call "Chris" on the barely-veiled anti-semitism of his comment? I notice no one is jumping on that one, although he was certainly smart enough not to be as foulmouthed and openly obnoxius as Mike. I'll go first!

There, I just did it.

Posted by: Michael Wells | Feb 11, 2006 9:09:09 AM

Um, you guys are really smart, that is, all of you that were there when this events took place, oh, alledged to have taken place. Regardless, the movie sounds anti-american, so I guess it will earn an Oscar for best foreign film.

Posted by: Wow | Feb 11, 2006 10:45:52 AM

I saw this movie last year, it was pretty good, but I think they should have casted Morgan Freeman in it.

Posted by: sa | Feb 11, 2006 11:39:45 AM

Once you don't want to recognize the real events and you rather stick your head in the sand, there is nothing anyone can do to convince you. US State department apologized for what happened....What else do you need for proof?....
Turks stood against communism for years, we are supposed to be allies....What the hell is wrong with US Army that they couldn't recognize ally soldiers and arrested them....Stupid...plain stupid...

I remember 15 years ago or so..US aircraft carrier, launched a missile strike to Turkish destroyer during the NATO exercise. They did that in error too....These are some major mistakes for higly trained US forces...Don't you think...
If you want to read about this missile strike on Turkish destroyer, go to Google and type "TCG Muavanet".

Posted by: Orhan the Turk | Feb 11, 2006 11:39:54 AM

wow, i bet you'd like to think you have the voice of reason. I'm so glad that you believe people can't have an opinion on an issue if they were 'not there'. I'm guessing you also think the holocaust was a myth? Thanks for playing. Please go back to watching Desperate Housewives you sheep.

Posted by: wower | Feb 11, 2006 11:41:53 AM

You closed minded knuckleheads..

Here are the links...




To Turkey August 15 1971, renamed Muavenet.
Heavily damaged by Sea Sparrow Missile fired by accident by USS Saratoga CV-60
during NATO exercise on October 2 1992.
Fate Stricken and broken up for scrap.

Posted by: Orhan the Turk | Feb 11, 2006 11:46:18 AM

Michael Wells, I don't feel that Chris was being anti-semitist. I feel he was being sarcastic. I assume you think the film is anti-semitist because it has a Jew as an illegal organ harvester. Well bravo. I suppose you havnt seem the numerous American films depicting hispanics as bloodthirsty drug dealers, asians as evil murderous triad gang members(and waiters!), and muslims as terrorists? And too boot, nearly always depict other cultures as being backwards and living in huts.

I think his remark was in fact pointed at people like you who believe jewish people can't be reflected in any negative light or it is racism.

I really interested to see how all this cartoon business pans out with the anti semitism laws in Europe.

Posted by: oknow | Feb 11, 2006 11:49:55 AM

Holocaust was NOT a myth and you are still knucklehead and stupid too I might add.

I don't watch stupid shows like you do..."desperate housewives"?...What the hell is that....Obviously you know what it is...Go get yout bag of potato chips, beer and remote and assume the position you fat fuck....

Posted by: Orhan the Turk | Feb 11, 2006 11:51:22 AM

You just turned around everything I said about you on to me. Funny. How about you go back to your Fox News and your Desperate Housewives, and your Pat Robertson. Go bow down for your President and tell him what good deeds you accomplished here today in convincing the world that Americans are good people.

Posted by: wower | Feb 11, 2006 11:57:11 AM

How strange that US has the right to charge anyone for being a terrorist. And behave like a super-power outside the US-Land. Patriots are never terrorists. A muslim or a jewish or any man who believes in God is not a terrorist. In other words if a man is a terrorist it means that he doesnt believe in God.

Posted by: jenson | Feb 11, 2006 12:22:01 PM

are you insane?....

I don't get my news from Fox and Pat Robertson is as stupid as you are...

Open your mind bud..Don't worry, your brain won't fall out...

Posted by: Orhan the Turk | Feb 11, 2006 1:56:59 PM



I am currently posted in Turkey and as TEXAN I had to watch this movie!! Not being Liberal-Pinkie I kept an open mind and I would recommend YOU watch this movie when it is released on DVD. It is easy to BLOG from where you sit and not realize that Turkey is in the "Valley of Wolves". 30000 People have died due to terror and the 91 Gulf war nearly bankrupted the Turkish Economy. So it is unfair to put any blame on Turkey or the Turkish people for their sentiment.

Keep in mind that Turkey and Israel conduct joint military operations, assit each other with regards to armaments upgrades. No need to explain that the biggest threat to Turkey comes from Religious and Kurdish terrorists. Please note that I said religious fanatics and not Muslim -Islamic fanatics.

In fact the movie stresses this difference. The movie repeatedly shows near "news release" events over the past 3 yrs ..., arrest of Turkish Allies, Abu Ghraib, the "Wedding Incident" etc. None seemed fictional to me ( yes the movie is schockingly brutal)

No true friend or Ally can be expected to back the other 100%. This is ever more true when one has been brutalized. The Turkish proverb " A frank ( blunt speaking) friend is better than a flattering fool" comes to mind.

A Democratic- Secular Turkey is the LAST BEST hope for US( aka Western World). You can be assured that behind the scenes Turkey has logistically supported US troops far more than anyone cares to admit. Well maybe the 2004 bombings in Istanbul showed that Al Qaida felt that the Turks had to punished.

So keep in mind that this is MOVIE and that the next time a NY Hassidic-American chooses Turkish Airlines to fly to Israel there are more than Kosher meals and 3rd World kidneys to thank.

Being a Texan does not allow us to remain ignorant !!??, ain't that right Pardner ?

Posted by: Tony | Feb 11, 2006 3:28:11 PM

I watched that movie recently, and its not worth to talk about. it is really a piece of shit as a movie I mean artistic side and scenerio side. There are really ugly klicks like the scenes with good islamic sheyhs and bad jewish dr. ugly. Its just like an arabic scenerio not turkish.
BTW I really felt uncomfortable when I watch some turks shoot american soldiers even its in a movie. We have a deep history from Atilla to Mustafa Kemal and there are a lot of turks who die for their allies (for example in korea)but there is no turk who shoots his ally in our history. Its not acceptable even its in a movie.

Posted by: Emrah | Feb 11, 2006 7:45:24 PM

To Mike,

Hey pig fucker, lazy ass couch lover, fat ass motherfucker, get your facts right. We do not need to explain you anything however maybe you can help us out? Who is the first nation to use Atomic bomb to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians? Who came to another continent to drive the natives out? Who wiped out Native Amercans of the map? Who brought slavery? Who brought discrimination in human race? Shoudl I keep going? Well you should judge yourself first before judging others. Maybe than you might make little sense, take my advise!!!

Posted by: Turkish Thunder | Feb 11, 2006 8:59:32 PM

This movie's screen play is completely real. You know we see on the news what american or english soldiers do to iraqi people. And this movie shows us suffering of iraqi people.
And as a neighbor and as a human being we are very sorry for them. You must see the truths or you do what you want ... But our hearts will always be with innocent. And i want americans to select a rational president , not for being charismatic.

Posted by: hulya | Feb 12, 2006 4:31:27 AM

i saw that film in munich as a german...it was a great film made by turks..turks was the first people who dared to show the truths of the iraq war..that movie should be shown all over the world, so everybody will see that not the muslims were terrorist, they will see that the USA is the biggest terrorist in the world...they should leave iraq as soon as possible, nobody wants to see them there...i think its also truth, like the film shows, that great britain and israel was also a part of that terrorism.
thans for the great film

Posted by: Michael Huber | Feb 12, 2006 6:32:44 AM

cant u all guys cool down a little bit??? i am losing money on 12dailypro..

Posted by: carlos | Feb 12, 2006 7:44:05 AM

I have heard about this movie sadly it will be realeased late march here

i think america should stop their invaiding journey because the way there going they are going to create WW3

i know turks as freindly welcoming pride full people that will do anything to keep their pride even if it means taking their own life

i was in tears when i have read the message ATTATURK SENT THE ANZACS ADTER WW1



Posted by: cameron from australia | Feb 13, 2006 1:03:37 AM

you people get a life it is just a freakin movie and you mike, as far as what you wrote everybody here got that you are one hypocrite sob....

Posted by: Ozturk | Feb 13, 2006 1:45:50 AM

Ouch, the trues hurts sometimes even if its just a movie ;) nice done (valley of the wolves).

Posted by: A PATRIOT TURK | Feb 13, 2006 5:32:42 AM

truth always hurts....
that movie shows us that the biggest terrorists in the world were the americans....goddamn terrorists...
thank you turkey for that great movie showing us all the trues of the iraq war...

Posted by: janis | Feb 13, 2006 12:20:53 PM

America is the greatest most compassionate country in the world.

Next time there is a disaster or you need your asses saved do it your self.

And for all you so called Americans who are rooting against us in war, the world cup, olympics, go back to the country you are rooting for. If you like them so much get the fuck out of here. I just do not understand this. You come here for freedom, work, or whatever, then you bitch about how bad it is. It must be better than where you came from.

Posted by: Bikelock | Feb 13, 2006 1:25:43 PM

You are a short sighted fuck...Go back and read your constitution..
No one here bashing American people... Obviously many are upset about US foreigh policy this administration is following...But, you would never understand why..Because you are an idiot..

America stood for oppressed, weak and poor before.Stood for democracy and freedom...That is no longer the case...Freedom of speech is no longer free...If you speak up against this administration, you are consider as treasionist...I guess you rubber stamp everything your leader does..Only smart people question their leaders...But, you rather believe what they say, instead of looking into why so many opposes us in the world...Your brain is rusted, outdated and refuse to see what is wrong...

Remember, when Katrina hit, many in the world land a hand to America and world was passionate in helping......Including 3rd world countries...So this is 2 way street..
It has nothing wrong with naturilized Americans to critisize their country...That is patriotic...It is unpatriotic to accept every wrong your government does...
You would never understand that....again....You are an idiot fuck...


Posted by: Orhan the Turk | Feb 13, 2006 2:34:57 PM

"I assume you think the film is anti-semitist because it has a Jew as an illegal organ harvester"

Yeah a little old thing like that..why shoot i just can't understand what all the fuss is about.
Why down at my local KKK meeting place we are shaking our heads over all the out cry.

Good family fun! :)

Posted by: Daniel | Feb 13, 2006 3:41:04 PM

I think everyone of you arguing in this comment board need to take a step back and reexamine the rules of a debate.

I'd like to point out that by lashing out with obscenities and name calling makes you appear to be the very opposite of an intellectual. Bashing someone's opinions is also unacceptable. Correcting wrong information with relevant facts, however, is OK. Also, sarcasm should not be used either because it is clear that not everyone here is fluent in English and does not understand your tone.

Furthermore, this is a comment board to review the film "Valley of the Wolves," not a place to argue why you are more right than another commenter. Turks, Kurds, Americans, and whoever else has posted here are all guilty of this.

Now, with all that being said, I have not seen the movie, but came to this comment board for a review because I think it is awful that American actors are inflaming an already terrible situation. I'm not disagreeing with the film or that these events never took place, I just think that Billy Zane and Busey are digging a deeper hole for America (which, yes, Pres. Bush started). To me, it seems they are being irresponsible given the violatile situation that the world is currently faced.

I think Billy Zane is being hypocritical here when he says, "I acted in this movie because I'm a pacifist." Does he really think making this kind of film doesn't incite violence and negative attitudes toward other countries?

I'd like to finish by correcting some of the other commentors to this board. As an American, I can say with some truth that: not all Americans think Jews and Israel are perfect and not all Americans believe it is anti-Semitical to portray them in a negative light. That is simply untrue.

It is also unfair to accuse all Americans of being narrow minded as far as terrorism goes. There are terrorists of all religions, but was it not Osama bin Laden, a muslim, who orchestrated an attack on the US in 2001? Was it not muslims who bombed the subways and buses in Britain? Are there not suicide bombers killing innocent civilians "in the name of Allah?" It is unfair to call Americans narrow minded or short sighted with those events in mind.

Thank you.

Posted by: Neil | Feb 13, 2006 9:23:46 PM

Oh, and to who every the producers of this movie are, I have a great buddy cop script about an Arab detective close to retirement who gets paired up with a young Israeli partner with a suicidal deathwish. I think it would be a great vehicle for Jamie Farr and Corey Feldman. I call it "DEADLY WEAPON" (WGA registed)...call me.

Posted by: Rich | Feb 13, 2006 10:36:32 PM

Nicely said Orhan--Turk's rock.

You know, let me tell you something guys---I'm no Turk and I'm no Arab, I'm no Jew and I'm no Muslim. But I'm a Citizen of the World and you're my brothers, all of you. The assholes I can do without, but they are here to exercise our character, aren't they.
So what about this Mike guy? You're kidding me, right? How can you get mad at something like that?
Would you get mad at an idiot who got his tongue stuck to a sheet of frozen tin and was screaming insults at you because he couldn't free it no matter how hard he yanked and growled?
No. You'd smile, take another sip of your steaming hot jasmine tea and find something a little more interesting to occupy your time.
As for Bikelock and his condescending America-The-Savior-of-the-World attitude--baby, what rusted shut? Oh, right--maybe you need some oil too. I recommend Marvel Mystery Oil. Which may or may not help free you from that flagpole, since you seem to have misplaced your key; but what's a key when the bike was stripped of its big wheels a while ago.

Daniel?---you think?...But maybe it was a positive thing! Maybe the writer just wanted a fair and balanced cast demographic. You know! The Arabs had roles, the Turks had roles, the Americans had roles. How could it be a film about the middle east without a Jewish character? Wait! We need someone to play the organ harvester! I mean, c'mon! Look at it as affirmative action! The director/writer's own personal version of the "No Jew Left Behind" policy. Especially now that it's all been elevated to mythological proportions. Maybe even the Joseph Cambell Foundation will work it into their curriculum now! Gee! Finally a Hero with a Thousand and One Faces!

Nice blog everyone. Good show. see you at the movies...

Posted by: frankie-boy | Feb 13, 2006 10:48:23 PM

So far I am reading alot that this is "just a movie" and to not take it to seriously. But what about the cartoons frem Denmark? Were they not "just Cartoons"? Yet people died in protests over them. What if someone sees this movie and decides to join the Terrorists? It was once said that the Pen is mightier then the sword, because Ideas, both good or bad, can have big consequences.

Posted by: Tommy | Feb 13, 2006 10:59:23 PM

Ulann MIKE !

Sen nesin de türklere dil uzatiosun ulan Pezevenk. senin o sarf ettigin laflari teker teker g... sokarim. ulan serfsiz siz böyle yavsaksiniz diye herkesi mi öyle görüyorsunuz.
Sen Bush' un yaptiklarini görmezlikten gel. Kendini ülkenin ne oldungunu görme sonra da benim ülkem hakkinda ileri geri konus. eger seni tanisaydim varya... senin o pis dilini koparip gö... yamardim pickurusu. Terörist sizlersiniz. Bizim kadar namuslu serfeli millet varmidir ki dünya da. Tabi bu film sizin yaptiginiz olaylari isledigi icin normal olarak köseye sikstiniz. Gercekler saklayamacaksiniz. Türkiye hem sinema da, hem de siysette sizden bunlarin hesabini soracak. o irakta öldürülenleri de senin (MIke) gibi düsünenler savunduklari icin o kadar masum insan ölüme sürüklendi. Polat'in da yaptigi gibi sizin gibilere bu dünya dar olacak.

Arkdaslar özür dilerim yazdigim bu kötü sözler icin.
(Eger bu metni ingilizceye cevirip verirseniz sevinirim. ingilizcem o kadar iyi degil.)

Posted by: Met!n | Feb 14, 2006 4:54:25 AM

One has to admire the courage of Mr. Zane And Busey for taking on these roles, especially in light of the blundering, ignorant and totally one-sided attitude of most American movie fans who actually arn't used to regarding the stories of "action movies" as propaganda but take them as wholey accurate representations of the truth... "bibles" of the world "as it really is". If anyone doubts that this is true of Americans (that they believe their own propaganda) then think about how easily they have excused Mr. Bush for "sincerely believing" that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction though all the evidence he had pointed to the opposite conclusion. See, feelings- strong feelings- always overide the truth when the interests of No. 1 are at stake, so to hell with the U.N., our country, our friends, our neighbors, bothers, sisters and parents- anyone that doesn't get that its a dog-eat-dog, gladitorial world is just a big fool!.

Posted by: John Shaplin | Feb 14, 2006 4:56:09 AM

"Quran says that the bible is changed and people forgot Allah's orders.So Allah sent Mohamed.And Islam wont be changed up to doomsday.People here shouldnt say bad words to Islam before they read Quran and understand what Islam is."
After all Islam is the religion of peace right?

there are more the 100 verses in the Qur'an that council war against unbelievers.

O Prophet! “Strive hard” against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is hell, an evil refuge indeed. (Qur’an 9:73)
To strive hard in Arabic is “Jehidi”the verbal form of the noun Jehad.

When you meet the unbelievers on the battlefield, strike off their heads and, when you have them laid low, bind your captives firmly. (Qur’an 47:4)

O ye who believe! Fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let him find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear him. (Qur’an 9:123)

Those who Believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil: so fight ye against the friends of Satan. (Qur’an 4:76)

Do ye make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the sacred mosque , equil to the pious service of those who believe in Allah and the last day, and strive with might and main, in Allah’s cause, [jihad fi sabil Allah]? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah: and Allah guides not those who do wrong. Those who believe, and suffer exile and strive with might and main in Allah’s cause [jihad fi sabil Allah], with their goods and their persons, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah: the are the people who will achieve salvation. (Qur’an 9:19-20)
The theology of Islam [jihad fi sabil Allah] specifically refers to the taking up of arms in the name of Islam.

Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them (Qur’an 9:5)

Shall I go on? Cause I could fill volumes with the “call to arms” references in the Qur’an against the infidel. Islam is a Religion of War, hate, and specifically condones the death of innocents. Muslim law does prohibit the killing of women and children mind you, “unless they are fighting against the Muslims”(Umdat al-Saliko9:10, cf. Al-mawardi, al-Akham as-Sultaniyyah,4.2.) And since every person in Israel is trespassing on Muslim land...you get the point. I have read this book, this Qur’an, and I suggest you all do the same to see what these Muslim apologists do not want you to see.

Posted by: Dudemaestro | Feb 14, 2006 7:07:15 AM

are that americans really humans..i think not...these soldiers in irak were really monsters...the had promised to bring freedom and democracy to iraq...everybody can today see that the only thing they have brougt was force and torture...first in ebu gharip and now they have beaten and kicked little childeren on streets...
USA is the worldpolice?? lol...they were the biggest terrorists....thanks turkey for showing us the facts of that war...everybody saw the real face of the fucking american soldiers..goddamnt idiots

Posted by: Giovanni | Feb 14, 2006 9:33:23 AM

this movie shows us who is real terrorist.

Posted by: fako | Feb 14, 2006 11:25:56 AM

Oh yes bashing me because I love the country I am from. I am in no way against legal immigrants, lawful demonstrations, and free speech. But I believe most of you have a rather distorted view of our constitution. And I do question our leaders. But to do it and sacrafice our chance at winning a war, I think not. There will be another election, a new leader, another who will uphold our CHRISTIAN BASED CONSTITUTION.

I live in a border town with Mexico, my wife is a first generation american, her family appreciates what this country has given them. Most of you forget your family was once like this(if you are american). We are the big money and power in world problems. SOrry if we figured out how to make money, be strong, and equal. These actors are the problem with America. They will prostitute them selves to make a buck. They will call our leaders communists to get there pictures in the paper. If they were that concerned they would give up there millions and help. But no they make movies (and from the reviews bad ones) to make some more money and disrespect their country. See how great the USA is. Oh and by you paying to see it, proceeds going to these american actors, who is in turn taxed by the federal goverment, will help us, thank you.

And all this talk of USA being the terrorists. If this were true you all would be kicking back having lattes at starbucks. If we were really trying to impose then you would know. But hey if you like living under tyrants so be it.

Wait, Orphan the turk might not like starbucks. Well being American I will look for some turkish coffee for ya.

And how was the draw in World Cup for you guys?

Oh, didn't make it.

I am rooting for U.S.A.

Posted by: Bikelock | Feb 14, 2006 12:20:08 PM

You kids shouldn't play so rough. Someone's gonna start to cry.

Has this film found US distribution?

Posted by: Turd Ferguson | Feb 14, 2006 1:22:22 PM

I will tone it down this time....

US constituation IS NOT christian based...It is SECULAR. This is how I can tell right from the starting line, you don't know much about your own government.

You being a christian does not entitle you to be more of a patriot than I am. I love this country...Thats why I am outspoken and critisize when our government does something against our constitution and the principles of what this country was based on...

I was born and raised as muslim..I still belive in Islam but, don't practice it...Religion plays no role in my life other than I thank my creator for what he has given me and I try to be a as good as person I can be. I am a productive person of the society I live in...I bet you, I pay more taxes than you do and never, ever cheated on my returns...My kids are very active in community and my wife volunteers for public schools...
I didn't come to US for fancy cars and big houses...I came to US for the freedom of speech she offered. But, last 5 years, I see those freedoms eroding..To me, when America leads by example and upholds the constituation, the America is loved by most of the world. I want that America back...I want the America that I grew up dreaming about..I want the America that I should be able to put a bumper stiker on my car praising islam and still be able to drive without getting harrassed or killed..(Not that I am religious or I would do that, I am just trying to show the loss of freedom I experienced). Freedom and geniune peace loving America...I don't want the hate, people felt towards Soviet Union replaced by hate for America...As an immigrant turned US citizen, I will do my part to make sure that America is back...My task is to VOTE. It is my right under the US constituation. I bet you are freaking out now..."How dare this immigrant turned US citizen Orhan the Turk can vote and impact my destiny"..Don't worry, I have the best interest for this country...You may not think so, but all the peace loving people in the world wants America lead by good example again...I wanna be part of the process to make sure it happens.
Speaking of movie....I am not particularly jazzed about it...But, Hollywood made many movies degrading every other nation in this world...(Midnight Express for Turks)..So what if Turks made a movie portraying US soldiers as bad people....What comes around goes around...We should try to understand eachother rather than "damn Turks...we won't help them when the next earthquake hits"..That is pitiful..

America has many people who think like I do...Many Americans were scared by this administration and lies brought this unfortunate war upon us..It is time to admit we did wrong and go forward...Redneck cowboy mentality will not resolve anything..It will only drain resources from US and cause more innocent death..Many Americans don't want war...They want good relationship with the rest of the world...Our leaders macho attitude is not the way to accomplish that...

Turks and Amricans stood side by side over 60 years...In Korea, against communism, 91 gulf war...We are allies..Many Turks admire Americans...But, doesn't bother you m,any in the world don't like US because of this administration...hate brings more anger and leads to more terrorism...Root cuse is just that...HATE...We have to stop the hate and start communicating...I think everyone wins if we do that...
Yes, You are right about one thing...Turkey didn't make the world cup...I am rooting for US too...At least we have something in common..

I apologize for my earlier faul mouth...I take those words back...

Orhan the Turk...

Posted by: Orhan the Turk | Feb 14, 2006 3:04:33 PM

Maybe you don't know about Turkey history let me tell you a little ....

in years 1979-1980 generallly 6-10 people died in every single day.

You know why...

Because of their political wiews...

Beacause they thought the other side was wrong.But they could be agreed after little discussions.

But they were provocated by USA government...

Because they know Turkish people are very sensitive about politic and we are agressive people...

And a strong Turkey would cause them very big problems. They never let us live in peace they always made trouble in our country.

Now people who fought in years 1979-1980 are agreeing that they were wrong and they were provocated.

And now Every logical , nationalist , TURK hates american government and american soldier. Even your people hate them.

USA is lying about IRAK everybody knows that. As you know they now say that there is no nuclear weapon in IRAK. Even they admit that.

When you made Midnight Express I understand your general ideas about us. Noone apologized about that movie. İt is a shame for your country. because you lied.

But this movie only tells about the truth. it tells about what happened in EBU Garip prison. And generally true bothers American people they want to beleive that they are helping people but they are not.

Finally , maybe our government tries to be nice to you ,BUT generally Turk people hates USA government and their soldiers.We just want you to know this.

We know your real thoughts about us. We don't beleive lyers.

God will punish your government in this world or the other world.

And also you must stop thinking that you are number one in everything(politics,sport,music,food,)

I never listen your music or eat your food(mcdonalds,burgerking).

I don't have to like them.

But someone thinks we must like them and you cant know about this stuff because you are far from here. Somebody force us to be like you but

We kept our traditons till 1200 to 2006 and we will keep it until a single TURK lives in the world.

Posted by: Turk | Feb 14, 2006 4:06:23 PM

and the guy named himself ORHAN not Orphan

and the think you eat is not yoghurt

it is YOĞURT. Eat yoğurt a lot it makes people to think and decide better.

Bush really need some eh?

Posted by: Turk | Feb 14, 2006 4:12:06 PM

Somebody said that Islam is the relegion of war.

İf that person ever understanted REAL ISLAM we would be real sorry for that thought.

Some Arabians terrorist may be violent towards you. They kill people for their religion.

But they will be punished in hell according to REAL Islam

In real ISLAM god says us " if someone hit you in face don't get angry , don't attack him ,stay calm. That person will ever be punish in this world orin other wolrd DON'T punish him yourself"

This is the real spirit of ISLAM.

When you don't know everything about a subject Please don't make a comment. You look like a fool.

You can't have comment
Till you got TRUE knowledge about that subject.

Posted by: TURK | Feb 14, 2006 4:22:27 PM

Romans, Egyptians, Greeks, Persians, Ottomans, Mongols, British, etc aka: the forgotten great powers. How ironic that today most of them are classified as developing countries...

America is now the contemporary great power; $10+ trillion economy, which is 10, times greater than its closest rival. But, how long will it last. I don't know. But I do know that a Roman back in 2nd century BC had no doubts that Rome would ever fall. Sounds familiar?

Over $450 billion of the 2006 US budget is allocated to "defense". What the hell are we defending against? This number does not even include $150 billion yet to be spent in Iraq. $600 billion is greater than the GDP of many developed countries in the world. In order for us to remain the great power, this number should go down not up. Unfortunately unlike other countries that spend money on defense, we do use our weapons. When we use them the only thing that we get in return is the hate of the world.

We should learn from history. The Romans also conquered everyone around them for their "Defense". Centuries later we fly to Rome and take cute snapshots of ourselves posing with their heroic monuments of the past. If we don't want people to pay money to see the ruins of our great monuments, we must learn to live in this world in peace, have respect for others rights and believes and spend our resources wisely.

I didn't choose to be born an American as people born in Palestine, Sierra Leon, Sudan, Cuba, Libya, etc did not choose to be born there. We are no different from each other. We should not get hooked up on race, color, religion but accept that we are only humans that occupy a certain cubic volume on earth for a period of 70-80 years and pass on.

Living in America, I consider myself very privileged compared to billions that do not have adequate access to food, water, shelter, healthcare, education, security, "freedom". I think we should try to find ways to spread this privilege to others. I would be very proud if had used the $600 billion for aid instead. Being great requires more than a great army.

Because of our own actions, ignorance and arrogance half (optimistic guess) of the world already hates us. So, I am not surprised if there are more movies like this one. We should start to think about how we can win back some of this hate and not turn the other half against us.

Posted by: Eric | Feb 14, 2006 4:43:05 PM

I am a Turkish guy. I watched the movie. First of all, i am not an anti-american nor an anti-jewish.I haven't got hatred nor prejudice for any race.I take my problems with people personally, because you can find all kinds of people in all nations or communities.
However, unfortunately, the things we see in this movie are the pure reality,like an historical document.. it shows to the world whats going on in Irak at the moment.I believe this movie is going to have great impact not only in America but in all over the world.It's sure that since Bush is there, America has lost a lot of things.I hope conscient people of America notice this.Not only Bush, but also people who vote such idiots are responsible.We don't approve things Israel is doing in Palestine and USA in Middle East.

Posted by: Attila | Feb 14, 2006 5:52:41 PM

Probably, this is the first time, you see that Americans and also Jewishes are bad man in a movie. You used to see bad characters as Russians, Arabics...

In my opinion, the film's aim is to show 4 big events based on a true story.

1) living bombs, (who wants to die, you will learn)
2) attack on civils in wedding celebration by American Soldiers.
3) killing of a religios leader of muslims.
4) arresting of Turkish soldiers by (ex-ally) USA.

These all are reality.
Neither less, nor more.

A dialog in America.

Girl : Where are you from?
My friend: Turkey.
Girl : in which state?

This is what most of american know about the world or themselves.

They say you Muslims are terrorist, you believed.
They say you Usame Bin Laden is in Iraq, you believed.

They kill innocent people(women,children), you keep your silence.

Do you know anything about Islam?
Do you know anything about Turkey? (except Midnight Express)

Sure you have a few words to say,

At this time a film had showed you, the other face of the WAR. You get SHOCKED.

Go on living with lies that you believe all are undiscussable truthes.



Posted by: Alper Tunga | Feb 15, 2006 5:03:09 AM

lets boykott all american products....i hate this fucking governement...No marlboro,no mc donalds, no burger king, no coca cola...etc....boykott all american products

they have to know that they were hated all over the world..i hope they attack iran too, so the arabian countries will unit and will beat the american...

american are the most stupid people in the world because they think they were the best and has nothing to learn about other countries,cultures...

i saw in a TV show that they asked people in california
if they know where Germany is...i swear some of them even answered "in north africa"......

what should i say to those people...is that not normal that they vote for Bush...
or is that unbelieveble that these people thinks that all the scenes in "valley of the wolves-iraq" are fantasy....
i think we cant help them....i m sorry..

Posted by: patriot | Feb 15, 2006 5:09:00 AM

the americans knows nothing about the world...they only believes that what these terrorist (bush) says...

and if they see a film like that in which the truth was shown they become shocked...and think it was a hollywood film with much fantasy...condolence

Posted by: Greek | Feb 15, 2006 5:15:57 AM

Anybody here actually serve in Iraq?.......didn't think so!!!

Posted by: Gino | Feb 15, 2006 5:26:20 AM

i´ve seen the movie.
truth hurts.
patriotism does not mean to deny the truth.
watch the movie.

Posted by: kevin | Feb 15, 2006 6:01:48 AM

Good point, so what you're saying is maybe there should also be a movie about the insurgents capturing and beheading military and civilians and then posting them all over the internet for all to see. Or how about a movie about local Iraqi's being treated by americans because they were being bombed or beaten by their own people for helping us. We can go on for days with point/counterpoint but it goes nowhere. You're right about the truth does hurt but having seen what happens to our own people over there twice (both of my own free will) it's hard to take this so serioulsy. In your words patriotism does not mean to deny the truth but it at the very least means to be supportive of your country.

Posted by: gino | Feb 15, 2006 6:35:28 AM

Please guys,
This is just a movie. Everybody calm down.

Posted by: Magnificent Suleyman | Feb 15, 2006 7:19:51 AM

It is just a movie you're right about that but look at how much hatred is generated by this. I'm sympathetic to the Iraqi people who were persecuted under Sadaam and I'm also sympathetic to the people in Afghanistan who lived under Taliban control for so long as well but what really makes me mad are people who will turn their backs on the country that gives them right to voice those opinions in the first place. Having proudly served his country all I have to say is YOUR WELCOME!!!

Posted by: gino | Feb 15, 2006 7:53:31 AM

Sometimes I wish we were able to kick out the people who talk shit about our country. Why don't people understand that just because they have the right to talk like that, doesn't mean that they should. I will bet you that half of the freaks on that page are mid-20-year-olds who are living off of their parents oil money and would never "suit up and show up" if their life depended on it. They will drink our Starbucks and curse our President and feed off of the blood that was shed to give them the right to be assholes!

Posted by: PCE | Feb 15, 2006 8:59:43 AM

HAHAHAH! Yeah yeah, you caught us...we hired those muslim terrorists to hijack our planes. We also paid Bin Laden to take responsibility for it...he's really our employee. Our devout christian president is actually a Jew as well. Did you also know that Turkey is ruled by little green men from Mars? ITS TRUE!!

You go so far as to cook up conspiracy theories in your tiny little head because you just can't be man enough to accept the truth. That's truly pathetic.

Posted by: heralder | Feb 15, 2006 10:09:47 AM

Orhan the turk,

I must disagree about your take on our country being based on the christian religion. Why do you think our money says "In God We Trust". Look up history and you will find that yes we have freedom of religion, and so called separation of church and state; but it is not freedom from religion. The framers specifically mention that the constitution and bible are linked. Most do not want to admit this, but it is true. I will find refrences for you to go and learn about this. And I am glad you vote. Thus you can complain. Thank god your family is inolved in the community. I am not against immigration as I have said.

The people who are unhappy are very loud. Those of us, the majority, are not as unhappy and many happy, in the direction our goverment is going. Why do you think he was voted back in. It is not just the war. It is the war for a more, I do not know how else to put it do not take offense, Christian based society. More religious you might say. I am sure in Islam as in Christianity it is a sin to kill an unborn child. I am no right for lifer but I will not advocate the death of unborn children. I want my kids to to be safe from drugs and bad people, be it dealers, gangs, and terrorists, all terrorists including international, national, and eco-terrorists. We live in a democracy, the majority won, people with the loudest voices seem to be the minority.

A neibor kid was killed in Iraq about a 1 1/5 years ago. I know that there are these things that happen. But do believe that the world would be better off if we did nothing? Did 9-11 not mean anything? I am sorry for saying this, but I would rather do what is happening now to ensure that my children have a safer place to live. To feel as I did my whole life untill 9-11, that the US is the safest place in the world where you can do anything you can dream. I have traveled to all but 3 states in the union, theoughout europe, central and south america. This is the greatest country in the world as I see it. I love that there is a 7-11 down the street. I love we can have this discussion with no recourse. I love that you have paid mor taxes than me.(just don't let the IRS know that. lol.)

May God bless you and your Family. And finally some one rooting for the Good Ol' USA. Hope we make it out of the first round.


I am not a racist, descriminate against religions, or creed, I AM AN AMERICAN, who wants us to be the best, the strongest, and the most stable country in the world. And if you are paying to much in taxes, don't let them convince you to vote for for the Democrats, they love taxes.

Posted by: Bikelock | Feb 15, 2006 10:42:09 AM

"To Mike,

Hey pig fucker, lazy ass couch lover, fat ass motherfucker, get your facts right. We do not need to explain you anything however maybe you can help us out? Who is the first nation to use Atomic bomb to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians? Who came to another continent to drive the natives out? Who wiped out Native Amercans of the map? Who brought slavery? Who brought discrimination in human race? Shoudl I keep going? Well you should judge yourself first before judging others. Maybe than you might make little sense, take my advise!!!"
The Japanese suprize attacked the United States. We used all methods at our disposal to end that war quickly. We did and we suffer no regrets. We also helped build that nation into an economic powerhouse and brought a voice to Japans people. Discrimination has been around since mankind split up into different tribes/religions. I assume you refer to the Spanish discovery of the Americas and its eventual settlement by Europe... You cannot keep what you cannot protect. It is not my law, it is natures. Slaveryies roots go back as far as recorded history. The United States was the first nation to abolish slavery. It is important to note that Slavery is still practiced in Africa more then in any other part of the world. Discrimination is what humanity is, rise above it or cry about it, it matters little to me. Do the best YOU can and stop blaming society for your short commings and failiers. Own it.

Posted by: dudemaestro | Feb 15, 2006 2:36:04 PM

hey guys,
a war is never clean! soldiers ARE killing. they kill soldiers and civilians.
it does not matter if our people or other nations people are going to be killed.
should we democratic american hold our
mouth, when a l.england tortures in abu ghraib or when some stupid soldiers crash a wedding? NO!!!

Respect life of civilians,
Respect your allies
and respect human dignity
never forget this!

Posted by: kevin | Feb 15, 2006 3:31:17 PM


there is a scene with suicide bombing. the movie explains how the religion thinks about killing and condemns it.
i have learned a lot about the way of life in iraq,
about the religion, the community...
i also have learned that the big three religions (christianity, islam and jewish) claim in the same way to be the only true way to god...
this movie is shocking.
its not that antiamerican as u think about...
just watch and learn

Posted by: kevin | Feb 15, 2006 3:41:57 PM

i saw the movie...
thank you Turkey..
long live...

Posted by: iraqi | Feb 15, 2006 6:38:08 PM

@ Kevin

I understand your views and want you to realize in no way am I condemning them. You have every right to voice your opinions as granted by OUR first amendment. I have also learned about islam from my tours of duty and respect the views that true islam represents. You must understand I'm not a politician I'm a soldier so I have learned to keep my political views to myself but my patriotic views are something different. I believe that it is ignorant to run around with the mindset that "We're America and we'll kick your ASS" but at the same time as an american I'm worried about how our soldiers overseas are going to be treated because of this movie. Maybe I do need to see this movie but then again I may just wait until it's available at blockbuster.

Posted by: gino | Feb 15, 2006 9:07:31 PM

Yesterday l left some comments and i cant see that anymore. Does anyone know whats going on here maybe they banned my comments.very interesting.

Posted by: Magnificent Suleyman | Feb 16, 2006 1:33:02 AM

Hi Gino,
Do you remember the coment i left yesterday after your comment.Can you tell me where its gone? do you think is it banned or something.

Posted by: maginficent suleyman | Feb 16, 2006 3:13:38 AM

@gino and others

i am proud of our soldiers.
proud of our soldiers in WW II
proud of our soldiers in Korea
proud of our soldiers in Africa (ruanda)
proud of our soldiers in Serbia
proud of our soldiers in Golf War I by defending Kuwait!

but can i be proud of our soldiers now?

can i be proud of our soldiers killing CHILDREN?
can i be proud of our soldiers killing CIVILIANS?
can i be proud of our soldiers torturing SOLDIERS?
can i be proud of our soldiers dehuminizing ALLIES?

this army does not REPRESENT the good old America! MY America.

how many Abu Ghraib prisons are still existing there?
how many Lynndie Englands, Charles Graners are still serving for our holy nation?

why are our old Allies, like germany, france and turkey, not welcomed anymore?
why do we call our friends "old europe"?
why don´t we care about our image in the world?

i am not asking u directly gino, hope u understand that.
we expect RESPECT,but don´t they?

the turks always fight for US american in wars, like in Korea and Golf War I and in Serbia as well as in Afganistan!!
and we thank them for that by the so called "HOOD EVENT"?


a german site with pictures of american torture!

Posted by: kevin | Feb 16, 2006 4:27:20 AM

i´ve seen that pics...
are the americans proud of these soldiers??
is that your army?? should everybody in the world proud of them too??? are that the people bring iraq democracy??
i dont know what to say...i dont understand how americans can be proud of things like that...turks can be proud of that movie i would say...now we german can imagine whats really in iraq happening, thanks for that great film....

Posted by: Janis | Feb 16, 2006 5:42:34 AM


Other wars were not fought during this time of mass media. Do you not think "THINGS HAPPENED" in those wars also. It is war. You just hear and see about it now. The press used to be more covert, or goverment controlled, about their reporting. They report now what they want you to see to fullfill their agenda. If Clinton was still in office and we were in this war do you think they would show only the bad side of things?

They all have an agenda.

Posted by: Bikelock | Feb 16, 2006 6:27:37 AM

Certain comments were removed for being off topic or slanderous/rude/offensive without having any relevant discourse whatsoever. Variety reseveres the right to remove such comments, or even close the commenting feature from this thread. So far we've kept plenty fo instances of swearing, links to NSFW pictures, and political diatribes from all sides of the debate, so we're not guilty of bias.

All we ask is that you be polite to each other and try to refrain from using offensive language. This should be a discussion about the film. If this thread descends too far into political discussion we'll close the thread and suggest you continue the debate on a political weblog. This is a blog about Asian movies, 95% of the posts have no political overtures whatsoever.

Posted by: Alex Romanelli, Editor, Variety.com | Feb 16, 2006 7:45:56 AM

I dont know how but somehow 2 of my comments has been deleted from this page. And i am going to rewrite it.
It was about who leads this world and the answere was ''Jewish people''. They are like octopus they are not many people but their hands are on everywhere. These people are invisible they just lead all the poverful countries somehow.Which countries are these? First of all America,England and someother poverfull countries as well. And they do anything for their benefits. Does anyone know that in England parlement when someone become prime minister he has to say that ''Israil safeness is important for us'' specificly. Why? Because thats the only way to be prime minister for England. Why dont they say that for any other country specifcly?The answer is above. So please do not critise this movie anymore because its all truth show in it. And everyone saw it recently what happends in Ebu gharip prison. So i invite everyone to support this movie.
P.S I hope they dont delete this comment either.

Posted by: Magnificent Suleyman | Feb 16, 2006 7:56:08 AM

Survival of the fittest. Jews are in some powerful positions because of this. They have had the muslims, the nazis, and a number of others try to take them out. But, they keep on comming back. A very nice story of a strong people. All this anti-semetism, it isn't coming from true believers of other religions. It is from you people who are evil.

Posted by: Bikelock | Feb 16, 2006 8:07:02 AM

Yes but it wont last forvever unfortunatly.

Posted by: Magnificent Suleymen | Feb 16, 2006 8:21:17 AM

Finally the Turks shoved how they feel about us, the civilized world.I think that it s now a good oportunity to cut off realationship with that fanatic racist country(by the way I always hated their kebab). Instead of raiding Iran we should consider Turkey. I don t think that their population, which is made up of the facist Turks, Alevis, Kurds, Zazas etc. would really support their country.But instead collobarate with the free world

Posted by: goldman | Feb 16, 2006 8:40:24 AM

Hey gold man,
Open your eyes mate. I m sorry to say this but you Americans are good people but blind to see the reality.What America doing is just start the war in any continent that they want. Just because majority of american economy depend on selling gun,bomb,tank,rocket, etc to other countries.First they start war after they start doing business.Your politicians are not innocent mate. The reality your politicans kills innocents for more power.

Posted by: magnificent suleyman | Feb 16, 2006 9:13:46 AM

Damn right goldman!!!

So true!. Keep up the good work. As you say, finally the Turks showed how they feel about Americans. Too bad it took a whole lot of a movie for you to understand it. And... is it necessary for other nations to make movies of their own to SHOW their feelings, too? Is this the only way for you to realize how the other nations feel?

Posted by: Azeri | Feb 16, 2006 9:44:09 AM

This movie is about as true as saying that Mohammed never married a 9 year old girl and had sex with her. But I mean, what do you expect from a society who is told what to think and when to think it??? Turkey is a beautiful country but they allow their government and their religious leaders to tell them what to think and when to think it. Harvesting organs to sell to Jews -- LMAO!!! How stupid do you have to be to believe some stupid crap like that?? The US is not without its atrociies and mistakes in history, but we cannot compare to the atrocities committed during the Ottoman Empire. Read the Koran and read the history of the middle east, it is a violent religion and a violent society. Mohammed was a war monger (except when he ran and hid in a cave and allowed others to battle against Medina).

Posted by: Jack | Feb 16, 2006 10:34:04 AM

JANIS, have you forgotten the 8 million Jews you Germans murdered? Have you forgotten the millions of Slavic peoples your grandfather murdered??? You should thank the US Military for saving your family from the Russians.

Posted by: jack | Feb 16, 2006 10:37:03 AM

1.turkey is a democracy.
2.europe killed 6 million jews!
3.why dont u answer my questions?
4.have u seen the movie?
...will u see it?

Posted by: kevin | Feb 16, 2006 11:25:11 AM

ok let me explain some elements of the movie.
the action scenes are not comparably with our hollywood movies...
but the movie is shocking cause of the ideas...
cause it shows how a stupid, criminal soldier (sam marshall)and not the hole american army!!! is acting.
honour,dignity, respect,different cultures, religion, power...are the basics of this movie...
something that i am missing in our army, lead by Lynndie Englands and Charles Graners....

Posted by: kevin | Feb 16, 2006 11:49:43 AM

I'm closing this thread because I'm tired of deleting anti-semitic and anti-muslim statements that have no connection to the film itself. This is an Asian movie blog. If you want to discuss Middle East politics please find a more appropriate forum. I don't want our core audience (Asian film fans) to become alienated from this nice community we're building here, all because people are finding this article in Google and stirring debate away from the film at hand. Thanks for reading, I hope you'll check out Grady's excellent coverage of Asian cinema elsewhere on this blog.

Posted by: Alex Romanelli, Editor, Variety.com | Feb 16, 2006 12:37:27 PM

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